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Eauson
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Postby Eauson; Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:37 am Re: One Synth Challenge #113: The Scrooo by Full Bucket Music

TrojakEW wrote:
ilmai wrote:I think I will skip this one, I just can't get sounds I like out of this synth... and going through the preset verified that this synth just isn't for me. Good luck everyone, and see you next month. :)

No worry. I can't get the right sound too. But in the end I realized that this is the real fun. To shape the sound and make this sound inspire you to make track even if you don't like this sound. For me the design process in the end have huge impact on the track and composition. Let's see the percussions/drums made with scroo from everyone. This thing require different approach then one which I'm used to. Making noise is tricky here.


For noise try adding a non snyc LFO hi speed to one of the formants and adjust with an envelope :)
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TrojakEW
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Postby TrojakEW; Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:50 am Re: One Synth Challenge #113: The Scrooo by Full Bucket Music

Thanks for suggestion but ... here is my :ud:

I actually made noise without lfo with ring modulator on formant with range about 16, spread 100 and FM1 modulation with env and FM2 note. Then eq some freq out and blurring with reverb. Tricky part is not pure noise preset but combination of body and noise for resonant part of hit for percussion. So low hit are kind of muffled but high velocity hits are bright almost noisy. Lets se how it will end.
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doctorbob
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Postby doctorbob; Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:02 am Re: One Synth Challenge #113: The Scrooo by Full Bucket Music

Eauson wrote::oops: I actually stole the idea from you :D
No problem :D . when you need *that* 60's echo sound, it does it very well indeed. To hell with these pure verbs/echos!
… The swell I had to turn down a lot, as it appeared to add a lot of noise, ...
True, but it's supposed to be like that. :wink: Also, the longer you run it, the noisier it gets - tape loops deteriorate, you get bumps from the pinchwheel etc - for our real machines we could buy made up tape loops, but we just spliced our own from whatever bits of tape we had lying around, not an exact science at all :dog: - the machines would eat loops at a rate - remember cassette tapes getting eaten by the machines??? :( . I will also use Ferric on the master to add that "less than clean" dynamics and saturation. :tu:

Did you turn it up to get the classic Copycat feedback???? watch your ears :hihi:

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Postby Full Bucket; Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:51 pm Re: One Synth Challenge #113: The Scrooo by Full Bucket Music

I finally made the scrooo version 1.2.3 official (now for Mac tooo). :party:

Cheers, Björn
Eauson
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Postby Eauson; Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:43 pm Re: One Synth Challenge #113: The Scrooo by Full Bucket Music

doctorbob wrote:
Eauson wrote::oops: I actually stole the idea from you :D
No problem :D . when you need *that* 60's echo sound, it does it very well indeed. To hell with these pure verbs/echos!
… The swell I had to turn down a lot, as it appeared to add a lot of noise, ...
True, but it's supposed to be like that. :wink: Also, the longer you run it, the noisier it gets - tape loops deteriorate, you get bumps from the pinchwheel etc - for our real machines we could buy made up tape loops, but we just spliced our own from whatever bits of tape we had lying around, not an exact science at all :dog: - the machines would eat loops at a rate - remember cassette tapes getting eaten by the machines??? :( . I will also use Ferric on the master to add that "less than clean" dynamics and saturation. :tu:

Did you turn it up to get the classic Copycat feedback???? watch your ears :hihi:

dB


Didn't attempt the feedback, my speakers are a little brittle, so don't want to lose them :) I have a tape delay/echo, purchased for little monies €2, never been used , a Ryan echo REC-22, I'm planning on putting some bits and pieces through it, just not got my analog stuff setup, cheaper electricity with computer :)
Tapes chewing machines :D
I've still got tape in my van, as I buy a lot of cassettes for long journeys, just completed my Pink Floyd collection :)
Well back to the strings :)
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Eauson
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Postby Eauson; Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:49 pm Re: One Synth Challenge #113: The Scrooo by Full Bucket Music

Full Bucket wrote:I finally made the scrooo version 1.2.3 official (now for Mac tooo). :party:

Cheers, Björn


Many thanks Björn,
So many possibilities with Scrooo, just like blooo, once you realise what's going on, its like a vast ocean of sounds available :D
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mehum
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412 posts since 24 Feb, 2015, from Stockholm, Sweden

Postby mehum; Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:25 am Re: One Synth Challenge #113: The Scrooo by Full Bucket Music

I'm basically done with my entry, just want to let it rest a few days, maybe take another pass at mixing and mastering.

Fun synth! Always fun to play with alternative synthesis. The possibilities are certainly way beyond what I came up with so excited to hear what the rest of you are doing with it!

Some additions I'd enjoy: Setting the oscillators to fixed frequency values. Some additional modulation routes (spread parameter comes to mind, perhaps additional AM for each formant). Noise source, if it would make any sense feeding it into the formants. Arrows on Osc FM should increment 1 instead of 5 (at least up to ~10). Option wether to retrig on portamento.

But as always; great work by Björn!
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Postby doctorbob; Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:27 am Re: One Synth Challenge #113: The Scrooo by Full Bucket Music

Thanks for the update Björn … if I move from 1.2.2 to 1.2.3 will I hear any/many changes in my sounds/presets?

Also, any clues how to get a really good "harpsichord" like sound???? Mine all seem to get mushy.

Should I run a Scroo for each note an EQ them separately, rather than a polyphonic instrument?

Any help most appreciated … Björn????

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491 posts since 25 May, 2010, from Hessisch Uganda, Germany

Postby Full Bucket; Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:45 am Re: One Synth Challenge #113: The Scrooo by Full Bucket Music

doctorbob wrote:Thanks for the update Björn … if I move from 1.2.2 to 1.2.3 will I hear any/many changes in my sounds/presets?

Yes, the majority of the clicks should have gone! :)
For high "Spread" settings you may get a little lower signal amplitude but in most cases I guess you will not notice it.

doctorbob wrote:Also, any clues how to get a really good "harpsichord" like sound???? Mine all seem to get mushy.

Will see what I can do later at the lab.

doctorbob wrote:Should I run a Scroo for each note an EQ them separately, rather than a polyphonic instrument?

Of course this depends on the situation but I would use the scrooo as a true polyphonic instrument.

Just a quick note about the scrooo Formants: There are no filters involved! Instead the waveforms are calculated "on the fly", and since with v1.2.3 the internal DC blocker has gone too, the scrooo now really is a synthesizer without any filters. :borg:

Cheers, Björn
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Postby doctorbob; Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:02 am Re: One Synth Challenge #113: The Scrooo by Full Bucket Music

Full Bucket wrote: … Yes, the majority of the clicks should have gone! :)
For high "Spread" settings you may get a little lower signal amplitude but in most cases I guess you will not notice it.

Thanks for this - I'll upgrade then.
Re: Harpsichord …
Will see what I can do later at the lab
Many thanks for looking at this. Appreciated.
Re: poly vs mono …
Of course this depends on the situation but I would use the scrooo as a true polyphonic instrument.

True … I have used mono for melody voices so I can have a set of different sounding "singers"
Just a quick note about the scrooo Formants: There are no filters involved! Instead the waveforms are calculated "on the fly", and since with v1.2.3 the internal DC blocker has gone too, the scrooo now really is a synthesizer without any filters. :borg:

Yeah, truly a different beast, and quite surprsing when you push it ...

Cheers,

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mehum
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412 posts since 24 Feb, 2015, from Stockholm, Sweden

Postby mehum; Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:11 pm Re: One Synth Challenge #113: The Scrooo by Full Bucket Music

doctorbob wrote:Also, any clues how to get a really good "harpsichord" like sound???? Mine all seem to get mushy.
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Ok, I gave this a shot since I started thinking about it :)
Perhaps not "really good", but at least in the ball park... Gets a pretty "farty" on single lower notes, but works decent on chords.

(btw, why are fxp-files still not allowed at KVR...? :roll: )
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Postby doctorbob; Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:32 pm Re: One Synth Challenge #113: The Scrooo by Full Bucket Music

@mehum - thanks, pretty much where I got :tu: - I might lean towards "toy piano" which they used or maybe simply a Rhodes like sound (might be easier!?) :phones:

This synth poses interesting challenges - but does make nice sounds, but you do have to be careful with clipping - just got to watch those various volume sliders!!!!!!! :borg:

Got a lovely farty bass - reminds me of the "olden days" when no-one I knew could really afford a good bass, let alone an even reasonable bass rig. :dog: Thinking mid-1960's ...

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OllyAudio
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5 posts since 7 Jun, 2018, from Ukraine. Kharkiv.

Postby OllyAudio; Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:24 am Re: One Synth Challenge #113: The Scrooo by Full Bucket Music

The soundtrack is standard reaper plugins. Also I used the TAL reverb and the equalizer from the company "DDMF". Dynamics - compressor and limiter eaReckon.
https://soundcloud.com/user-484756306/ode
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5 posts since 7 Jun, 2018, from Ukraine. Kharkiv.

Postby OllyAudio; Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:26 am Re: One Synth Challenge #113: The Scrooo by Full Bucket Music

A specific and interesting synthesizer. I think that the sound designer should own this type of synthesis.
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Postby TheNeverScene; Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:16 am Re: One Synth Challenge #113: The Scrooo by Full Bucket Music

Love those metallic clinks and clanks you got going on there Olly.

A cool synth, but still trying to wrap my brain around it. All I've got so far......

https://soundcloud.com/the-never-scene/ ... scroo-test
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