Layering and load distribution
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 35294 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
What's the best way to layer plugin instruments in a DAW to get best use from multiple cores? For example in Bitwig now there is an instrument selector but I presume since it's per track that all the plugins loaded would still be using the same core? Studio One also has a nice device for combining and layering plugins. I don't know if any host distributes load by plugin though, usually it's by track. If that's the case would it make sense for layers be built up that span multiple tracks and if so how to ensure they all use the same midi input? Usually I just use Kore or Freestyle for layering as they can combine multiple plugins in a single gui but for CPU hungry instruments this is not viable as that would just use one core - I don't think these use any internal load distribution across cores, not sure that would even be realistic to expect (do any subhosts manage to pull that off?).
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- KVRAF
- 5179 posts since 16 Nov, 2014
Not sure really but stacked tracks in Logic works really great for me and i love to layer a lot stuff and then play it as one instrument.aMUSEd wrote:What's the best way to layer plugin instruments in a DAW to get best use from multiple cores? For example in Bitwig now there is an instrument selector but I presume since it's per track that all the plugins loaded would still be using the same core? Studio One also has a nice device for combining and layering plugins. I don't know if any host distributes load by plugin though, usually it's by track. If that's the case would it make sense for layers be built up that span multiple tracks and if so how to ensure they all use the same midi input? Usually I just use Kore for layering as it can combine multiple plugins in a single gui but for CPU hungry instruments this is not viable as that would just use one core.
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- KVRAF
- 10260 posts since 19 Feb, 2004 from Paris
In Cubase I simply record arm 2 or more tracks, then play the part. (Though it's usually much more organic and alive to overdub the second part).
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 35294 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
Actually that's an interesting question in its own right, now I think of it I seem to remember Bidule being able to do some core distribution but not sure how it works, per module presumably but does that include per third party plugin? Would like to know if more modern subhosts like Mux or Freestyle can do the same.aMUSEd wrote: (do any subhosts manage to pull that off?).
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 35294 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
Not tried this, so this is for realtime playing right? All using the same midi in?Cinebient wrote:Not sure really but stacked tracks in Logic works really great for me and i love to layer a lot stuff and then play it as one instrument.aMUSEd wrote:What's the best way to layer plugin instruments in a DAW to get best use from multiple cores? For example in Bitwig now there is an instrument selector but I presume since it's per track that all the plugins loaded would still be using the same core? Studio One also has a nice device for combining and layering plugins. I don't know if any host distributes load by plugin though, usually it's by track. If that's the case would it make sense for layers be built up that span multiple tracks and if so how to ensure they all use the same midi input? Usually I just use Kore for layering as it can combine multiple plugins in a single gui but for CPU hungry instruments this is not viable as that would just use one core.
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 35294 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
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- KVRAF
- 5179 posts since 16 Nov, 2014
Yes. I spend several months to put a lot of these multi stacked instruments together.aMUSEd wrote:Not tried this, so this is for realtime playing right? All using the same midi in?Cinebient wrote:Not sure really but stacked tracks in Logic works really great for me and i love to layer a lot stuff and then play it as one instrument.aMUSEd wrote:What's the best way to layer plugin instruments in a DAW to get best use from multiple cores? For example in Bitwig now there is an instrument selector but I presume since it's per track that all the plugins loaded would still be using the same core? Studio One also has a nice device for combining and layering plugins. I don't know if any host distributes load by plugin though, usually it's by track. If that's the case would it make sense for layers be built up that span multiple tracks and if so how to ensure they all use the same midi input? Usually I just use Kore for layering as it can combine multiple plugins in a single gui but for CPU hungry instruments this is not viable as that would just use one core.
It´s easy to f.e. run 20 instances of Zebra with each track has it´s own midi FX, FX etc. running and i just trigger them all via one midi input live.
I prefer it often over playing several tracks one by one since i set them up that that it works as one instrument. A bit like a synth like Dune 2 on steroids.
Also it´s nice to just save and recall such a preset in a few seconds and you can hide all the "sub" tracks in one midi track.
I really like to combine synths and sample libraries this way.
- KVRAF
- 12739 posts since 24 Jun, 2008 from Europe
Why? Because Mux 7.7 does not yet support multi-core within a single plugin instance? As mentioned on the MuTools forum that may change in a future release.aMUSEd wrote:Oh well ruled out Mux.
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 35294 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
Sorry, don't take that the wrong way, it wasn't meant as a criticism, I just meant in relation to that single question, if that changes in future that will be great. Currently it looks possible that no sub host plugins currently support multi core distribution of plugin loads but considering the technical challenges that's not really surprising.mutools wrote:Why? Because Mux 7.7 does not yet support multi-core within a single plugin instance? As mentioned on the MuTools forum that may change in a future release.aMUSEd wrote:Oh well ruled out Mux.
- KVRAF
- 12739 posts since 24 Jun, 2008 from Europe
To avoid confusion: I didn't take it the wrong way, i just asked the question in a relaxed objective way. (a pity that raw text doesn't include intonation) I do understand that multi-core support within a single MUX plugin instance could be very useful, that's why i added it on the wishlist.
Thx aMUSEd.
Thx aMUSEd.
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- Beware the Quoth
- 33173 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
Its not automatic, but Bidule lets you assign plugins to a specific core yourself.aMUSEd wrote:Currently it looks possible that no sub host plugins currently support multi core distribution of plugin loads
my other modular synth is a bugbrand
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 35294 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
Yeah I can see that option in the standalone but not in the pluginwhyterabbyt wrote:Its not automatic, but Bidule lets you assign plugins to a specific core yourself.aMUSEd wrote:Currently it looks possible that no sub host plugins currently support multi core distribution of plugin loads
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- KVRAF
- 3496 posts since 9 Oct, 2004 from Poland
In REAPER i just make a new track and put another synth instance there, then split the number of voices between them.
And it uses more than 1 core even if the plugin doesn't support that.
And it uses more than 1 core even if the plugin doesn't support that.
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- KVRAF
- 25053 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
Use VE Pro and assign cores to instances directly. So if there are instruments, or FX, which can be determined to use more CPU, you make an instance (more than one instance in a 'server project') with those and assign more cores to that. This is simpler than what I'm seeing, and I know it works.aMUSEd wrote:What's the best way to layer plugin instruments in a DAW to get best use from multiple cores?
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 35294 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
Yeah VE Pro has always looked interesting, but also comparatively expensive and yet another tool to learn (although I'm sure it's not complicated).