KVR Audio

VariKusBrainZ · Post by **VariKusBrainZ** » Thu Aug 02, 2018 11:39 pm

JoeCat wrote:What I can't wait for (and where almost there with VCV Rack https://vcvrack.com/) is an open modular framework like Eurorack in VST form. Once they get that working and supported by more devs...

It already is an open modular framework, unlike Softube Modular and has progressed 100 times faster.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Thu Aug 02, 2018 11:50 pm

VariKusBrainZ wrote:
JoeCat wrote:What I can't wait for (and where almost there with VCV Rack https://vcvrack.com/) is an open modular framework like Eurorack in VST form. Once they get that working and supported by more devs...
It already is an open modular framework, unlike Softube Modular and has progressed 100 times faster.

Except it's not in VST form. At least not for Windows unless I'm missing something.

starflakeprj · Post by **starflakeprj** » Fri Aug 03, 2018 12:22 am

wagtunes wrote:
VariKusBrainZ wrote:
JoeCat wrote:What I can't wait for (and where almost there with VCV Rack https://vcvrack.com/) is an open modular framework like Eurorack in VST form. Once they get that working and supported by more devs...
It already is an open modular framework, unlike Softube Modular and has progressed 100 times faster.
Except it's not in VST form. At least not for Windows unless I'm missing something.

Besides the official VST bridge developed by the VCV Rack developer, there is another project where a guy has compiled the VCV Rack to a VST plugin, but as far as I know everytime a rack module gets updated (or added), the whole VCV Rack VST plugin needs to be re-compiled. So running paid modules is not an option in the VST plugin version.

JoeCat · Post by **JoeCat** » Fri Aug 03, 2018 12:45 am

starflakeprj wrote:
wagtunes wrote:
VariKusBrainZ wrote:
JoeCat wrote:What I can't wait for (and where almost there with VCV Rack https://vcvrack.com/) is an open modular framework like Eurorack in VST form. Once they get that working and supported by more devs...
It already is an open modular framework, unlike Softube Modular and has progressed 100 times faster.
Except it's not in VST form. At least not for Windows unless I'm missing something.
Besides the official VST bridge developed by the VCV Rack developer, there is another project where a guy has compiled the VCV Rack to a VST plugin, but as far as I know everytime a rack module gets updated (or added), the whole VCV Rack VST plugin needs to be re-compiled. So running paid modules is not an option in the VST plugin version.

Hence my thinking that it's close to what a lot of us want, just not quite there yet. I'm thinking of toying with it anyway; it's just a bit of a workflow issue - but no different than working with a hardware modular in that sense, and a lot cheaper!

Plus I've probably got a lifetime of playing with Reaktor blocks until I'm bored, and there's stuff like this beast:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnpvmEkvWKo

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Fri Aug 03, 2018 12:56 am

JoeCat wrote:
starflakeprj wrote:
wagtunes wrote:
VariKusBrainZ wrote:
JoeCat wrote:What I can't wait for (and where almost there with VCV Rack https://vcvrack.com/) is an open modular framework like Eurorack in VST form. Once they get that working and supported by more devs...
It already is an open modular framework, unlike Softube Modular and has progressed 100 times faster.
Except it's not in VST form. At least not for Windows unless I'm missing something.
Besides the official VST bridge developed by the VCV Rack developer, there is another project where a guy has compiled the VCV Rack to a VST plugin, but as far as I know everytime a rack module gets updated (or added), the whole VCV Rack VST plugin needs to be re-compiled. So running paid modules is not an option in the VST plugin version.
Hence my thinking that it's close to what a lot of us want, just not quite there yet. I'm thinking of toying with it anyway; it's just a bit of a workflow issue - but no different than working with a hardware modular in that sense, and a lot cheaper!

Plus I've probably got a lifetime of playing with Reaktor blocks until I'm bored, and there's stuff like this beast:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnpvmEkvWKo

That thing is a black hole by itself. Don't let it suck you in.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Fri Aug 03, 2018 12:59 am

I agree that lack of VST support is a no-go in 2018. Well, it already was a no-go 15 years ago.

martinjuenke · Post by **martinjuenke** » Fri Aug 03, 2018 6:01 am

VariKusBrainZ wrote:
wagtunes wrote:
JoeCat wrote:What I can't wait for (and where almost there with VCV Rack https://vcvrack.com/) is an open modular framework like Eurorack in VST form. Once they get that working and supported by more devs...
Isn't that what Softube was supposed to be?
No

The keyword is „OPEN“.
Softube is closed and expensive as hell compared with VCV or Blocks.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:23 am

martinjuenke wrote:
VariKusBrainZ wrote:
wagtunes wrote:
JoeCat wrote:What I can't wait for (and where almost there with VCV Rack https://vcvrack.com/) is an open modular framework like Eurorack in VST form. Once they get that working and supported by more devs...
Isn't that what Softube was supposed to be?
No
The keyword is „OPEN“.
Softube is closed and expensive as hell compared with VCV or Blocks.

Softube had what seemed to be a great idea, but killed it with their greedy prices, and lack of support (eg, more than a year to implement a proper patch storage system and browser). Modular is death, IMO.

VCV as a VST is (still) not an option, but I hope they get there. Anyway, as a platform, it is great, and I hope they succeed.

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:03 pm

fmr wrote:
martinjuenke wrote:
VariKusBrainZ wrote:
wagtunes wrote:
JoeCat wrote:What I can't wait for (and where almost there with VCV Rack https://vcvrack.com/) is an open modular framework like Eurorack in VST form. Once they get that working and supported by more devs...
Isn't that what Softube was supposed to be?
No
The keyword is „OPEN“.
Softube is closed and expensive as hell compared with VCV or Blocks.
Softube had what seemed to be a great idea, but killed it with their greedy prices, and lack of support (eg, more than a year to implement a proper patch storage system and browser). Modular is death, IMO.

VCV as a VST is (still) not an option, but I hope they get there. Anyway, as a platform, it is great, and I hope they succeed.

Agreed. Sadly, as high quality as their software is, I gave up on Softube a while ago after briefly owning their guitar amp simulators. Frankly there were options that sounded as good and were loaded up with a lot of professional features, where their amp sims were bare bones and clunky to use. I remember finding it hard to get a decent amount of gain out of them and the company's answer to me was, "yeah, well adjust everything else in your mix." When Softube Modular came out, I was interested until I read about what the business model was. It also didn't sound any better than Reaktor, and Reaktor already had a lot more modules made for it and NI was even adding new ones for free. Also, NI gave you the option to run Reaktor at different sample rates, so you could run a complex patch that didn't have any audio rate modulation going on at 48 khz to save CPU cycles. Modular had no quality settings at all.

VCV is a little clunky to use, but IMO, I think it's going to really be the thing that Softube thought their Modular would be.

mtelesha · Post by **mtelesha** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:55 pm

yellowmix wrote:
wagtunes wrote:Personally, I have no use for any more emulations, analog OR digital. Right now I can make any sound that's ever been created in synth history. I want a synth that can make NEW sounds. Sounds we've never heard before.

Until THAT synth comes out, I'm done buying synths.
What do you think of Waverazor? It's the newest commercially available synthesis method that isn't physical modelling. The editing pages are understandably complex and there's a lot yet to be discovered. And yet I hardly see it mentioned. But then again, people are initially perplexed with Bazille, FM, and at the beginning even subtractive has a learning curve. Many people use presets only as well.

Do you think new sounds will inherently require more complex understanding for sound design? Considering every advance in every other field requires an understanding of all previous thought, discoveries, etc. before it, in order to build upon it. This is a concern because people want quick and easy workflows. So why would a developer gamble it all on pushing the envelope?

I would say that Techtronic's Biotek 2 has a much more unique sound as a synth more then Waverazor.

Seems like we really only need 5 synths at the most anyways.

V0RT3X · Post by **V0RT3X** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:10 pm

I've said this before, even dedicated a entire thread to it.

Where is a super accurate emulation of the Prophet VS??

I wish Togu Audio Line would take it on.

Examigan · Post by **Examigan** » Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:03 pm

V0RT3X wrote:I've said this before, even dedicated a entire thread to it.

Where is a super accurate emulation of the Prophet VS??

I wish Togu Audio Line would take it on.

I think Arturia's emulation is the only one, unless I am mistaken.

felis · Post by **felis** » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:21 am

JoeCat wrote:....
Plus I've probably got a lifetime of playing with Reaktor blocks until I'm bored, and there's stuff like this beast:
....

Yes - that one appears to be a beast.
Took a look at it, but it'll take some digging in to get my head around it.
Thanks for the heads up.

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:19 am

It's curious how a thread originally labelled as 'enough with the vintage emulations, bring on the digital' suddenly turns into talking about mostly analogue modular enivronments, wich were among the first vintage monsters to appear

Overall, I think analog, as well as 'digital', are -slowly- evolving. Fact is that, from a pure synthesis POV, very few revolutionnay methods have seen the light since ages. It's -almost- all there for many years.

So finally, the current modular rebirth trend might not be a total derailing of the thread, as indeed you can mix old analog and pure digital things in a modular.

mtelesha · Post by **mtelesha** » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:53 pm

I think Waverazor is absolutely original tech with its oscillator. Cutting up a single sine wave is addicting in that instrument..

Enough with the vintage emulations! Bring on the digital!