Your next guitar?

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Not for me though, because once again...I'm not paying for six letters on the headstock.

$1,399 is a good price for an American-made guitar, regardless of what name is on the headstock. Gibson did a great job of fulfilling the needs of country musicians and I think they should be applauded for doing so.

well then applaud them but dont expect me to, I dont play country...another issue with a Les Paul for me is the fact I spend hours with a guitar in my lap at my desk and I dont want to have to keep one hand on my neck all the time to keep the guitar in my lap. This Gibson you post does address the stop bar issue I have so that's cool. But FWIW, I have never paid over 800 dollars for a guitar (up until 2005 that number was 500 dollars. No one has ever told me that my guitars sounded cheap, no one has ever questioned what guitar I played while judging my gi-tar tone.

The truth is with two on/on/on switches in the Daion and with the Duncans I have in it I have those tones I might get from a Les Paul, with both pups split it's pretty tele sounding too. (It came stock with two on/on switches so no mods needed) The Daion is the most comfortable guitar in my lap I own and the neck thru beats the hell out of the Les Paul set neck for me (I find the heal on a Les Paul too big). Like wooly I'm not a fan of Gibson necks either.

FWIW you wont find me buying two words and an acronym either (Made In U.S.A.) which may have meant something when I was a kid but it's pretty worthless today imho. So if were to ever buy a strat it would likely be a MIM, but I can build as good a strat as Fender for less with a much better neck cheaper. Dont get me wrong, I will buy a guitar made in the U.S., but not for that reason only.

I'm sorry Eric, I do not buy guitars for status symbols...I'm not saying you do or anyone here does but the fact is ime I find that one of the number one reasons people buy a Les Paul is as a status symbol (and the number one reason I draw criticism from those same people, they can't stand the fact that there is nothing magic about these guitars).

I could go one and discuss what negative a impact both Fender and Gibson have had on the music industry with their trademark fights (both blow away any perceived similar things from monster cable, but no one dares hate Fender and Gibson out of fear of being ostracized by other guitar players...except me ), their buying up pattens and burying them to squash the competition, the illegal use of woods for even more profit. You want it it? You buy it, I dont like it so does that make me bad? Because I voice my opinion about it? I hope people do listen to my words and understand that it is not the guitar that is going to make the player but the player that makes the guitar.

BTW the best Les Paul I ever played was not Gibson nor epi, I'll let you guess what it was...I will say many feel the same way as I do and they have been around a long time...second best, an Epi Les Paul my friend bought for his kid...I'm sorry my practicality seems to upset people, but I'm not a follower, I dont need no status symbol to define me as a guitar player and if I wanted a cheap Gibson Les Paul there are some brand new now under 1000 dollars, but I dont have any desire or practical use for a Les Paul while having a very nice collection of guitars that suit me very well and I have tailored (and continue to do so) to suit the only guitar player whose opinion matters on my guitars.

It really is funny how I seem to upset so many people with this, but the truth is it does upset a lot of people (again not saying you're upset but I have had people ready to go to blows to defend their guitar's rep )

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Hun. Strange. Other than the the hassle of taking the springs/trem out it looks straight forward. Very worried about the springs staying in though. But this one prestige I have is pretty good sustain wise (and the breed bridge and fred neck is a FAB combo) but I want more.

mine has killer sustain UNPLUGGED, one thing that surprised me a lot

[SuitcaseOfLizards]

FWIW I owned an Epi Black Beauty for 3 years before I sold it on. Decent guitar, heavy as a boulder but sustain for ages.

I still miss my old, best gf.. my Ibanez Artist EQ.. sigh. Havy because of the damn brass block but easy to play, flexible, and the neck was better than sex.. The Strat I own comes closest.

I should check out the Ibanez axes with a fixed bridge. Gods I hate floating trems!

[Uncle E]

well then applaud them but dont expect me to, I dont play country...

Neither do I. We can be outside of the target audience and still appreciate good ideas.

I have never paid over 800 dollars for a guitar (up until 2005 that number was 500 dollars. No one has ever told me that my guitars sounded cheap, no one has ever questioned what guitar I played while judging my gi-tar tone.

Believe me, I get you, you're talking to the #1 fan of PRS SE's! At the same time, you're talking about used prices and this Gibson will certainly be less than $1K on the used market.

The truth is with two on/on/on switches in the Daion and with the Duncans I have in it I have those tones I might get from a Les Paul, with both pups split it's pretty tele sounding too.

With all due respect, most humbuckers are not capable of accurately sounding like good strat or tele pickups when split. The exclusions are the Stag Mag, which I hear doesn't sound like a good humbucker, and perhaps the PRS 408. This tapped P-90 is a good idea that, like the Seymour Duncan Custom Shop StraBro90, may do a better job than most at covering two different territories.

FWIW you wont find me buying two words and an acronym either (Made In U.S.A.) which may have meant something when I was a kid but it's pretty worthless today imho. So if were to ever buy a strat it would likely be a MIM, but I can build as good a strat as Fender for less with a much better neck cheaper. Dont get me wrong, I will buy a guitar made in the U.S., but not for that reason only.

Personally, I've never found a Fender from Mexico or China that I liked. Same goes for ANY guitar from Indonesia. PRS SE's say they're from Korea but they're actually from China and I love them. Korean ESP's are fantastic, as good as the Japanese ones. I don't look at any Ibanez's that aren't Japanese. I haven't played a good Epiphone from ANYWHERE in years.

With all that said, Gibson's are made with Plek machines these days and that certainly disposes with a lot of the "Made in USA" appeal, since a Plek'd guitar will play great no matter where it's from. Look at the Suhr Rasmus stuff.

I'm sorry Eric, I do not buy guitars for status symbols...I'm not saying you do or anyone here does but the fact is ime I find that one of the number one reasons people buy a Les Paul is as a status symbol (and the number one reason I draw criticism from those same people, they can't stand the fact that there is nothing magic about these guitars).

Yes, that's true. I've heard too many stories of doctors buying 10 Top PRS's as wall ornaments to disagree with you. The ironic thing is that all my 20-something aged employees thing that flame and curly maple tops look cheesy.

BTW the best Les Paul I ever played was not Gibson nor epi, I'll let you guess what it was...

The best Les Paul I've ever played was a 1968 Gibson Deluxe I had in which the previous owner had installed 1961 PAF's. The second best Les Paul I've played is my Japanese-made Orville.

It really is funny how I seem to upset so many people with this, but the truth is it does upset a lot of people (again not saying you're upset but I have had people ready to go to blows to defend their guitar's rep )

I'm not upset.

[Uncle E]

Hun. Strange. Other than the the hassle of taking the springs/trem out it looks straight forward. Very worried about the springs staying in though. But this one prestige I have is pretty good sustain wise (and the breed bridge and fred neck is a FAB combo) but I want more.

You have to remove all the saddles to get to the screws that hold the block. I put it back together fine but not intonated properly.

[hibidy]

yeah, I would have to do some measurements first. I may also shim this one while I'm at it, I've always kinda felt the 6 string is just a tad low.

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Personally, I've never found a Fender from Mexico or China that I liked. Same goes for ANY guitar from Indonesia. PRS SE's say they're from Korea but they're actually from China and I love them. Korean ESP's are fantastic, as good as the Japanese ones. I don't look at any Ibanez's that aren't Japanese. I haven't played a good Epiphone from ANYWHERE in years.

I cant discuss these things when people use absolutes like I never...I mean no offense Eric but if that's the case it's because you dont want to. I dont like every guitar I play but I can find good in most guitars even when deemed not suitable for me. It isnt the guitar that makes the player it's the player that makes the guitar and frankly I feel bad for anyone who turns a blind eye to that. (that has more than one meaning because no one earth can set up a guitar for me better than me)

Probably the result of not having the luxury for at least 35 years of having the money to spend on lavish guitars so I learned to play what I had and to mod what I had for how I like to play.

As for the pups in my Daion...have you played it? Have you ever played a Daion Power Mark XX? And for that matter if I want p-90s as you know (because I bought them from you) I can have a pair of p-rails in the Daion using the two same switch holes in about 15 minutes

Forgive me but no matter what, at the end of the day you're still going to talk like a salesman and I'm gonna still love project guitars that are not going to make you or other dealers much money. Like what I just did to what I am sure many people would call a pos, my ltd mg 750..it's done, it kicks ass, it has two sweet pups (duncans) with a megaswitch and a floyd rose older than a lot of people here...that's me...not an overpriced gibson guy or fender for that matter from companies it's hard to still respect.

With said, something that did catch my eye was the fender pawnshop VI bass...but I'm not saying I'll be buying one...still it's cool to see

[Uncle E]

I cant discuss these things when people use absolutes like I never

That's an absolute statement.

...I mean no offense Eric but if that's the case it's because you dont want to.

You're picking and choosing points to refute without looking at the whole statement. In the same paragraph, I said I haven't found a good Chinese Fender and that I love Korean/Chinese PRS SE's. Same country, same price range, yet one company consistently does a better job of it than the other IN MY EXPERIENCE. I'm not saying Fender CAN'T make a good guitar in their Chinese factory but if they have I haven't found it. Conversely, I haven't yet played a bad PRS SE.

I dont like every guitar I play but I can find good in most guitars even when deemed not suitable for me.

I've been visiting trade shows and guitar factories in China for years. I have played hundreds, if not thousands, of guitars that anyone, including you, would call unplayable. Fret ends that would cut your hand open, frets that feel like sand paper when you bend, necks so unstable that you bend them in place of a trem, pickup selector switches that bent out of shape with a little thumb pressure, etc.

btw, in case it matters, I'm half Chinese, my wife is full Chinese, and some day we're going to have a little 3/4 Chinese baby.

As for the pups in my Daion...have you played it?

I don't need to, I've got physics on my side.

Forgive me but no matter what, at the end of the day you're still going to talk like a salesman and I'm gonna still love project guitars that are not going to make you or other dealers much money.

We're not a Gibson dealer. How can you be throwing that salesman crap at me when we don't even sell the stuff?

Like what I just did to what I am sure many people would call a pos, my ltd mg 750..it's done, it kicks ass, it has two sweet pups (duncans) with a megaswitch and a floyd rose older than a lot of people here...

Exactly, it's a Korean ESP. It's fantastic, just like I said it would be.

[rockstar_not]

Sooooo...

What is YOUR next guitar?

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I cant discuss these things when people use absolutes like I never

That's an absolute statement.

...I mean no offense Eric but if that's the case it's because you dont want to.

You're picking and choosing points to refute without looking at the whole statement. In the same paragraph, I said I haven't found a good Chinese Fender and that I love Korean/Chinese PRS SE's. Same country, same price range, yet one company consistently does a better job of it than the other IN MY EXPERIENCE. I'm not saying Fender CAN'T make a good guitar in their Chinese factory but if they have I haven't found it. Conversely, I haven't yet played a bad PRS SE.

I dont like every guitar I play but I can find good in most guitars even when deemed not suitable for me.

I've been visiting trade shows and guitar factories in China for years. I have played hundreds, if not thousands, of guitars that anyone, including you, would call unplayable. Fret ends that would cut your hand open, frets that feel like sand paper when you bend, necks so unstable that you bend them in place of a trem, pickup selector switches that bent out of shape with a little thumb pressure, etc.

btw, in case it matters, I'm half Chinese, my wife is full Chinese, and some day we're going to have a little 3/4 Chinese baby.

As for the pups in my Daion...have you played it?

I don't need to, I've got physics on my side.

Forgive me but no matter what, at the end of the day you're still going to talk like a salesman and I'm gonna still love project guitars that are not going to make you or other dealers much money.

We're not a Gibson dealer. How can you be throwing that salesman crap at me when we don't even sell the stuff?

Like what I just did to what I am sure many people would call a pos, my ltd mg 750..it's done, it kicks ass, it has two sweet pups (duncans) with a megaswitch and a floyd rose older than a lot of people here...

Exactly, it's a Korean ESP. It's fantastic, just like I said it would be.

thank you for just stooping down to talk to me, I am so lucky to have someone as amazing as you tell me what is best for me

[Uncle E]

thank you for just stooping down to talk to me, I am so lucky to have someone as amazing as you tell me what is best for me

I never told you what is best for you. I shared about a cool guitar, I never said you should get it.

[hibidy]

Why is everyone arguing these days? I'm having to defend myself on at least two threads, and all my friends are arguing. Guys, nobody said anything wrong. Not everyone is going to agree..........I'd do a cute cat pic but I'd just get in trouble for it

[BERFAB]

Where the hell is the guitar pron that we've come to know and love? Time was, you'd come to this thread and see 3 or 4 pics per page of some amazing art with strings attached.

Lately? Just dudes arguing over which country supplies the best rosewood.

C'mon. Get with the program. Let me envy you for the shiny PRS you just bought at an estate sale for pennies on the dollar. Or a shot of the Fender copy body you just put the 5th coat of lacquer on in your shop. Or the killer 5 string bass with natural grain that you finally pulled the trigger on.



-B

[hibidy]

I own ALL the guitars and basses, I have no more porn to post

[BERFAB]

I own ALL the guitars and basses, I have no more porn to post

Well then, perhaps you should start posting actual porn. ANYTHING to break up the tedium.

Cheers
-B