KVR Audio

T-CM11 · Post by **T-CM11** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:48 pm

george wrote:
T-CM11 wrote:Correct comparison =
iPad (A5(X)) vs Surface (ARM)

If you're being paid to spread misinformation, please tell us!
Just compare iPad music apps number to Surface ARM music apps and maybe you realize what I'm talking about.

You do know that this thing is NEW right?
Things weren't that great for the iPad when it just appeared. Or should I say iPhone/iPod, because that was the small predecessor (if we're talking about apps).

discoDSP · Post by **discoDSP** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:51 pm

Pricing and battery life will make this thing a instant fail or something interesting to consider.

T-CM11 · Post by **T-CM11** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:56 pm

george wrote:Pricing and battery life will make this thing a instant fail or something interesting to consider.

Yep, for general use.

But if the latency is like Android, or not a lot music apps (for whatever reason), it's going to fail for musicians

discoDSP · Post by **discoDSP** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:57 pm

T-CM11 wrote: You do know that this thing is NEW right?

The screen looks like it's from 2010.

discoDSP · Post by **discoDSP** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:59 pm

T-CM11 wrote:But if the latency is like Android, or not a lot music apps (for whatever reason), it's going to fail for musicians

My advice is reading a bit about Windows ARM, Metro and MIDI to get a instant fail smell for music use.

VariKusBrainZ · Post by **VariKusBrainZ** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:00 pm

george wrote:
T-CM11 wrote:Correct comparison =
iPad (A5(X)) vs Surface (ARM)

If you're being paid to spread misinformation, please tell us!
Just compare iPad music apps number to Surface ARM music apps and maybe you realize what I'm talking about.

Just compare the how long they have been available

discoDSP · Post by **discoDSP** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:01 pm

Just figure how it will compete with that.

T-CM11 · Post by **T-CM11** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:03 pm

george wrote:
T-CM11 wrote:But if the latency is like Android, or not a lot music apps (for whatever reason), it's going to fail for musicians
My advice is reading a bit about Windows ARM, Metro and MIDI to get a instant fail smell to use it for music.

Windows is an OS, ARM is a CPU, Metro is a GUI.
-> 2 of those things have nothing to do with Midi.

The only thing I smell is possibilities. Let's wait and see.

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:17 pm

T-CM11 wrote:
darsho wrote:
george wrote:
darsho wrote:well be interesting how the latency for AUDIO applications will be.
Metro doesn't support MIDI input so it's useless for audio apps.
sorry to ask, but what is Metro ?
The GUI.

Who designed the GUI.... IKEA?

Shy · Post by **Shy** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:24 pm

I'll just wait to see whether proper MIDI stuff will be possible and whether there will be Lemur for it.

VariKusBrainZ · Post by **VariKusBrainZ** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:30 pm

This thread is going to get really amusing as people try and compare black with white and bandy redundent arguements around the place.

I dont think MS seriously think they can take market away from iPad but they do see an opportunity to sell some hardware.

Lots of people wouldnt touch an iPad but would consider a windows tablet eg Me

4damind · Post by **4damind** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:19 pm

Normally the Core i5 version should run a full featured DAW without problems. It has USB3 support, so no problem with external HD, Audio interfaces, Midi etc.
The Pro version can also be used with a pen. Microsoft says in the keynote "it's a PC" and showing stuff with Adobe etc. It's a lot more than a tablet and with the power it should be also useful for audio stuff.
I expect that all DAWs will be used without problems... Afaik there will be different versions up to 128GB SSD/Flash. This is the limitation, because there is not the space for big sample libs, dozens of projects and stuff. But USB3 is very quick, and the external drives are small.

It's a tablet but IMO more a "Ultrabook" tablet... and yes a completely different thing than a iPad.

Maadfoo · Post by **Maadfoo** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:35 pm

4damind wrote:Normally the Core i5 version should run a full featured DAW without problems. It has USB3 support, so no problem with external HD, Audio interfaces, Midi etc.
The Pro version can also be used with a pen. Microsoft says in the keynote "it's a PC" and showing stuff with Adobe etc. It's a lot more than a tablet and with the power it should be also useful for audio stuff.
I expect that all DAWs will be used without problems... Afaik there will be different versions up to 128GB SSD/Flash. This is the limitation, because there is not the space for big sample libs, dozens of projects and stuff. But USB3 is very quick, and the external drives are small.

It's a tablet but IMO more a "Ultrabook" tablet... and yes a completely different thing than a iPad.

It must be utter crap! I mean, it's from MS.

Jokin'... for me it is finally a tablet I might consider buying.

homunculus · Post by **homunculus** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:46 pm

the gui looks almost exactly like the xbox live gui except the xbox version looks a little better but they are both bad

polaris20 · Post by **polaris20** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:04 pm

The Pro will run anything Windows currently does, i.e. any DAW application you want. The RT will run nothing you currently have, and due to restraints on what can be coded for the Metro interface, it's unlikely it'll ever useful for audio work.

The only real concern with the Pro is the heat/battery life. Other than that, it should be pretty neat.

EDIT

For the problems with real time audio and Metro development, check out this thread:

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4764721

In other words, unless the Caustic dev is wrong, you should shoot for the pro model if you want to use a Win8 tablet for audio stuff.

microsoft announces new tablet