The drum machine is dead. LONG LIVE THE DRUM MACHINE!
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- KVRist
- 326 posts since 25 Jan, 2009 from UK
I like to bash one out on the 4x4 or 2x8. That is therapy for me.
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- KVRAF
- 3162 posts since 13 Jun, 2004
dr550 mkII get 626 over 505, for the gate trigKriminal wrote:Ive just bought a DR220a and DR550....last year i bought (sampled and sold) DR660 and SR16. Year before it was the R5.
Looking into getting a modded TR505....
- unless there is something about the 505 i don't know.
(edit:sorry missed your point: 'modded'..)
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- KVRist
- 44 posts since 7 Aug, 2006
I have to admit that tempest has a very low profile online when it comes to demos etc....but it's a hell of a machine if you happen to own one. For sure it's a rich guys toy but it delivers some amazing sounds without ever having to read the manual. If you can't get this thing to sing in the first ten minutes well maybe music isn't your thing. It's a full on prophet that happens to be driven by a linn ...if you can imagine it then this thing can do it..just tweak and play.
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- KVRAF
- 15508 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
I meant to reply, and I forgot, too bad, this is a better thread than the other one. But anyway, isn't that where software is king these days? I'm still not feeling the need to go to a separate box for sound. What I see the need for is good musical interfaces to the box.kritikon wrote:Following on from Ghettosynth - you're probably right, in that if I think back, mostly it was the sequencers themselves that utimately put me off drum machines. You tended to get a great set of sounds but with a crappy sequencer, or a really good sequencer that was intuitive to use but coupled with tedious sounds. Probably the most useable would be a proper analogue sequencer coupled with something that can do fluid analogue style tweaking of digital sounds - which basically means prohibitively expensive, such as physical modelling. I can see a sequencer attached to the insides of 16 Korg Wavedrums being really useable. Unfortunately only by a handful of people due to price.
I hated having to deal with the limited sounds in my first drum machines. Even the SR-16 became tiring after a while owing to the trendy use of effects and the emphasis on rock drums. I think that I probably made the most music with a Korg DDD-1, but I had shit for cards and I did not have the sampler.
I don't get on with non-xox programming. I either like step sequencing, or using a trigger pad (real drum pad) and sticks to program rhythms. I can't play with my fingers for the life of me. So, for me, except for the xox machines, pretty much all drum machines in the past had sucky sequencers, and most had a very limited set of sounds.
Yep, but I'm fed up with talking about their new stuff. They aren't interested in being innovative.And you're right about Roland. They never intended most of their gear to be used the way it was. And unfortunately because they're Roland, they'll never go backwards and get it down pat and make yesterday's hits with today's functionality. Probably their AIRA things will go on to be famous for completely different uses than fancy modern 808s, 909s and 303s.
Perhaps, I find this unlikely. What takes you there with analog is that you can somtimes push it where it wasn't meant to go, this doesn't happen so much with digital. Although I thought the cool FM acid that I posted recently was an exception. Wouldn't it be funny if FB-01s started to be worth a mint!It might even be the basis for a whole new genre, after all acid etc wouldn't have been what it was without a whole slew of Roland kit.
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- KVRAF
- 7540 posts since 7 Aug, 2003 from San Francisco Bay Area
Although I have a number of drum machines, and did even buy a Volca Beats, I really don't see much value in going with hardware. Just stick with your DAW of choice and a nice controller. I've been very happy lately with Push and Live. The reason I never got Maschine is the same reason my Machinedrum sits unused- too many key combinations to memorize. Too much "hold shift and now this button becomes a different button". Push is large enough and logically laid out enough that its operation quickly becomes incredibly intuitive.
As for software, I have most of what is available, and I like working with different interfaces. The only ones which really frustrate me are the D16 plugins, which perfectly capture the worst of x0x interfaces. The first thing I always do is figure out how to shut off their internal sequencers and just sequence then from the DAW.
For me, the most rewarding use of hardware is creating my own drum sounds on my modular. Synthesizing my own unique impression of an 808 cowbell, and then sampling several variations of that for later use... Now that's fun!
As for software, I have most of what is available, and I like working with different interfaces. The only ones which really frustrate me are the D16 plugins, which perfectly capture the worst of x0x interfaces. The first thing I always do is figure out how to shut off their internal sequencers and just sequence then from the DAW.
For me, the most rewarding use of hardware is creating my own drum sounds on my modular. Synthesizing my own unique impression of an 808 cowbell, and then sampling several variations of that for later use... Now that's fun!
Incomplete list of my gear: 1/8" audio input jack.
- KVRAF
- 25311 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
Elektron RYTM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eov9iFyEGc0
If I were going to get a hardware drum synth, it would need this sort of versatility to interest me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eov9iFyEGc0
If I were going to get a hardware drum synth, it would need this sort of versatility to interest me.
- KVRAF
- 7325 posts since 9 Jan, 2003 from Saint Louis MO
Honestly, with Maschine (though I can't speak for Maschine Mikro) there's very little memorizing to do. 95% of shift functions are labeled on the device, and if they're commonly used (like transpose, undo, etc.) muscle memory takes over quickly anyway.deastman wrote:The reason I never got Maschine is the same reason my Machinedrum sits unused- too many key combinations to memorize. Too much "hold shift and now this button becomes a different button". Push is large enough and logically laid out enough that its operation quickly becomes incredibly intuitive.
To each their own though.
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 14943 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
I could never do a Command Station again. I dug it on concept, but hated the menu structure.justin3am wrote: Maybe try and R8, RS7000, or maybe even an Emu Command Station again (if you can bare the menu structure, the synthesis is really quite deep). Or Maybe something like an MV-8800.
Nor do I! That's what "quantize" is for.justin3am wrote:I really enjoy playing with step sequencers in particular. It doesn't matter if it's event style editing or x0x style editing, I just don't have much skill when it comes to banging on pads.
I'm actually looking for something I don't have to play at all. In the end I think I just want a drum synthesizer and I could care less about the sequencer as I like all the software sequencer options I have.justin3am wrote:Anyway, if you are looking for something that is fun to play, maybe look at an MFB-522 a Korg Electribe or a Roland SH-32.
I do hate Elektron's excuse for a user interface. Banging out sequences on them is fine, but I remember the multiple steps I had to go though just to audition a kit on my Maschinedrum. Rediculous.justin3am wrote:If you aren't into Elektron stuff, I won't recommend the Analog RYTM. I, on the other hand, am all over that shit.
I've yet to find a demo track that excited me enough to drop $2K on one.justin3am wrote:I can't comment on the Tempest. I have used one but I didn't spend enough time with it to make a judgement.
Because that is my sickness.justin3am wrote:Honestly, it sounds like you have a solution looking for a problem. If you have a workflow that works for you (Machine and such), why let GAS f**k that up? You'll probably just end up frustrated.
Of course I was being a bit tongue in cheeky on the title to titillate. I just wanted to get a conversation going because, I admit, I'm secretly (nor not so secretly) in love with drum machines.justin3am wrote:I'm not saying drum machines are dead... they are alive and kicking over here.
But maybe you have just found better solutions itb.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 14943 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
I'm currently leaning towards this but I want to demo a Nord Drum II to make sure it's got a sonic edge to software I own.ghettosynth wrote: My advice: Get the Nord AND the Mbrane, depending on budget, play them with your software sequencer, a TR-707, or a machine-drum.
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- KVRAF
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- 14943 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
I saw a demo of the new Wavedrum Global Edition that made me all wet. My worry is... I'm not very good at hand percussion.Shy wrote: And I have some real drums I can record whenever I want, and I have a Wavedrum, it's fun and sounds good.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 14943 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
ghettosynth wrote:People think of them as famous for the techno sound, but, everything that is techno about Roland is just an accident on the way to a jazz fusion concert.
You should make this your signature!
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 14943 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
I wouldn't mind a totally digital kit... hell, maybe even the Nord pads plus a Nord Drum 2 would be enough. I just wish I could clone myself and designate my clone to focus on drums/percussion and sequencer duty. Then another clone to wake up with my baby at 2:20...arkmabat wrote:I'm struggling with that right now. My future roommates look at me like I'm crazy when I explain that I want to bring my electric kit and acoustic with me... I hope we get a bottom floor because even the electric kit's bassdrum pedal shakes the floor a lot. Deserted parks are a great place to practice louder... I'm rambling...zerocrossing wrote: I wish I had a drum kit... and talent to play drums... and a place for them...
but I'm not a drummer. I wonder if I really was if I'd hate digital drum kits just like I hate Roland's GR series guitar synths.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 14943 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
Yeah, sounds frik'n great! I bought this right after I saw the specs on the TR-8.arkmabat wrote:Btw, XOXOXs Bong drum sounds amazing. That thing is well worth the price. I need to get it.
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- KVRAF
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- 14943 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
Forget "inside." Someone needs to make that but have it done by pneumatic robots holding drum sticks.kritikon wrote:I can see a sequencer attached to the insides of 16 Korg Wavedrums being really useable.
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- 14943 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
That's exactly my main problem with it. I can make some cool drum sounds on my MoPho, but it's not what you'd call the most thoughtfully designed drum synth and was never intended to be one. I was sad Dave didn't toss out this allegiance to the CEM chip he so loves (he must have a billion of them) and really sit down and use his talent to design a drum synth and not rework a Prophet 08 to be a drum synth.zazz wrote:I have to admit that tempest has a very low profile online when it comes to demos etc....but it's a hell of a machine if you happen to own one. For sure it's a rich guys toy but it delivers some amazing sounds without ever having to read the manual. If you can't get this thing to sing in the first ten minutes well maybe music isn't your thing. It's a full on prophet that happens to be driven by a linn ...if you can imagine it then this thing can do it..just tweak and play.
On the other hand, from demo videos I've seen, I think Linn nailed the sequencer on it and it's probably one of the few modern drum machines that looks fun to use.
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