KVR Audio

Shabdahbriah · Post by **Shabdahbriah** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 3:17 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLkw5WY2h0Q#t=520

V0RT3X · Post by **V0RT3X** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 5:16 am

$330.00 and limited amounts available! get em while you can!
http://www.analoguehaven.com/moog/werkstatt/

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 6:06 am

Neat, I suppose. I won't really say that it's overpriced, but I don't really think that it's all that interesting. It's a one VCO synth with a few patch points and no real knobs.

Shabdahbriah · Post by **Shabdahbriah** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 7:42 am

ghettosynth wrote:Neat, I suppose. I won't really say that it's overpriced, but I don't really think that it's all that interesting. It's a one VCO synth with a few patch points and no real knobs.

Look @7:16+ in the video

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 9:40 am

Shabdahbriah wrote:
ghettosynth wrote:Neat, I suppose. I won't really say that it's overpriced, but I don't really think that it's all that interesting. It's a one VCO synth with a few patch points and no real knobs.
Look @7:16+ in the video

No, I saw that too and took it into account. There's a lot of really interesting DIY stuff available these days so just having a few patch points isn't really all that interesting. Even if you could turn the whole thing into a simple modular, you still wouldn't have anything that's particularly interesting. Gaining access to the circuit isn't the hard part of putting together something like that.

It's neat enough, if you really want a simple moog synth, but, IMNSHO, you can do better elsewhere.

idfpower · Post by **idfpower** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 9:41 am

It's a cool little beast

I'm glad Moog joined the trend and came up with a really affordable synth (even if limited compared to its big brothers). I'm pretty sure they'll run out of stock pretty soon

As I said before: if you don't like it, then it's probably not for you (as in you're not the target buyer), but I'm sure a ALOT of ppl will get crazy over this one

It's small, portable, and yet powerful - and come on, it's a Moog

Shabdahbriah · Post by **Shabdahbriah** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 11:58 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5P14EgqfsU#t=797

deastman · Post by **deastman** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 2:27 pm

I thought this was interesting and at a pretty good price point. Then I realized that it costs more than a Microbrute. The low end of the market is rapidly becoming saturated.

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 2:45 pm

Looks and sounds nice ... if a bit limited. I wonder what the UK price will be (if any get here).

Shy · Post by **Shy** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 3:19 pm

ghettosynth wrote:It's neat enough, if you really want a simple moog synth, but, IMNSHO, you can do better elsewhere.

Definitely, especially since there's really no "classic Moog circuitry" in there, despite their intentional misleading, and the sound is not better than that of a similarly priced synth with MUCH better features like Eowave Domino.

And if anyone is really interested in synth-related circuits, I don't see how this can be considered a good "introduction", dealing with an advanced surface mount board. There's tons of Eurorack and 5U info and products that "regular folks on a budget" would be much happier with. Sure, maybe on a grand scale it costs more, but if you're really interested in this stuff, you're gonna spend some more money than $300 anyway and you won't consider such a synth board a good "introduction".

idfpower · Post by **idfpower** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 9:50 pm

You're missing the point: Moog decided to pay attention to the lower end of market and managed to come up with a really affordable synth, while ppl on a budget can finally own a Moog synth - limited as it is. It may not look like much but this shows there's a lot of money making potential in producing less expensive gear while attracting new customers that would have normally looked the other way.

Nowadays the software industry is making really powerful plugins that can sound very good at a fraction of the price of a hardware units. So the hardware makers need to find new ways to stay in business - and fast. Korg topped the market with their inexpensive "toys" and lately made a killing with the Volcas so now other brands are starting to get it: the trick is not to lure in the pros, but the bedroom artists willing to spend a few bucks for a bit of fun - just for the heck of it.

I say the more the merrier

Shy · Post by **Shy** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 10:48 pm

I completely agree with the simple and cheap analog hardware economical aspect part, but paying attention to the lower end of the market is not enough by itself, you also need a good enough product and I think in this case it's not a good enough product, it's a synth that for the majority of potential buyers of cheap analog synths (who have a limited budget, want most bang for the buck, and don't care about messing with the circuit at all), this synth is not better, it's VERY significantly worse than similarly priced products. The fact that it's from Moog can't save it from being a very "not worth it" product for most potential buyers of cheap analog synths, as far as I see it.

I don't know, maybe this is not really Moog paying attention to the lower end synth market. It may just be an attempt to appeal mostly to people who are interested in "doing it themselves", but I don't see a big enough market there. Even in the modular synth world, the majority of customers is not people who are interested in modifying or building circuits. But at least in Eurorack, there are excellent offerings for people who do, including beginners who wouldn't get any real satisfaction from an advanced surface mount board.

Sendy · Post by **Sendy** » Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:31 am

I find it whelming.

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Wed Jun 11, 2014 1:32 am

Sendy wrote:I find it whelming.

See, that's funny, and nails it.

AstralExistence · Post by **AstralExistence** » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:02 am

idfpower wrote:You're missing the point: Moog decided to pay attention to the lower end of market and managed to come up with a really affordable synth, while ppl on a budget can finally own a Moog synth - limited as it is.

but its not a moog synth if i read correctly. that's the point. somebody stated that there's no original moog circuitry in this whatsoever. if that's really true, your paying for the name, yet your not getting moog quality. how much you want to bet that moog just took some cheap hardware manufacturers diy synth and put their name on it. does moog even make diy kits available for sale besides this new one? i don't think they ever have. that should tell you something about the perceived 'quality'. seems like the better choice is a microbrute or rocket.

Moog WERKSTATT-Ø1 ANALOG SYNTHESIZER