KVR Audio

Biome_Digital · Post by **Biome_Digital** » Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:58 pm

I swear I replied to this thread! Why are posts disappearing?

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:15 pm

Biome_Digital wrote:I swear I replied to this thread! Why are posts disappearing?

Because they sw

masterhiggins · Post by **masterhiggins** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 2:33 am

ghettosynth wrote:...

Why do some people delete an entire history of their convo? Certain people do that quite a lot.

-Sam

NNevez · Post by **NNevez** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 2:54 am

This might be what you are looking for, the Modulus 002, an upcoming synth that seems to be some sort of analog/digital hybrid!

http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2014/ ... k-preview/

I bet it is going to be expensive, i mean really expensive.

But for someone with the necessary funds it is going to be

!!

Vectorman · Post by **Vectorman** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 3:54 am

himalaya wrote:One instrument that comes to mind is Jon Bowen's Solaris, which offers a nice compromise between complexity and direct access via knobs. In fact, the Solaris has enough options to take it away from its dominant VA approach, into pure digital synthesis (via its Waldorf-sourced wavetables, Prophet VS waves, 2 Rotors, comb filter options, etc).

That's the first thing I thought of when I saw the thread title. The Solaris kind of IS the modern PPG Wave (and Prophet VS and more rolled into one), and surpasses the PPG (and certainly the VS) in the user interface department to boot.

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 4:09 am

I had a very good condition DX200 up on eBay with a buy it now of $300 and no one bit. It ended up selling for a bit more than that.

It's a cool synth, but I had to make some hard choices and analog makes more sense than digital in hardware for me. So maybe a new license of Blue 2 for me? Same with the Blofeld. I love the sound, but Largo is enough.

The truth is, things like the DX line are just too complex to have good UIs. Also, most vsts are comparable in quality these days, so there's not a major reason to go hardware.

If you're really hanker'n for digital, get a prophet 12.

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:06 am

NNevez wrote:This might be what you are looking for, the Modulus 002, an upcoming synth that seems to be some sort of analog/digital hybrid!

http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2014/ ... k-preview/

Sounds excellent! Still pretty VA-ish sounding but that's not a problem in my book.

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:10 am

zerocrossing wrote:I had a very good condition DX200 up on eBay with a buy it now of $300 and no one bit.

It's kind of dull and artificial sounding compared to better FM synths. The FS1R is maybe as good as it gets in that regard, it sounds crystal clear.

If you're really hanker'n for digital, get a prophet 12.

Yeah, that's a good point. The Waldorf Rocket also fits that kind of bill. I like using it as a filter for the Nord Lead.

The Ploytec is more what I think people are looking for when they ask for "digital":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwcHwioo ... _B8RGfMWsc

Vectorman · Post by **Vectorman** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 2:26 pm

zerocrossing wrote:If you're really hanker'n for digital, get a prophet 12.

I briefly got excited about the P12 when I first heard it was coming out and saw the first few specs. 4 Digital oscillators into analog filters? Wavetable scanning? It almost sounded like a Solaris with analog filters. Then I saw that no, there was no vector envelope, no wave mix joystick, and that they'd even jettisoned the VS waveforms from the Evolvers. And that the lineup of wavetables consisted of 4 wavetables with 3 waves in each? Uhm...what?

I assume they wanted the P12 to be seen as its own thing instead of something that borrows from the past...but it also feels like almost arbitrary limitations/omissions were imposed for the sake of that. I guess it is what they wanted it to be. If you want a hybrid vector or full-fledged wavetable scanning synth with analog filters, you still have to buy something from 20 or 30 years ago instead of a new DSI.

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 3:51 pm

Vectorman wrote:If you want a hybrid vector or full-fledged wavetable scanning synth with analog filters, you still have to buy something from 20 or 30 years ago instead of a new DSI.

Poly Evolver wasn't good for that?

himalaya · Post by **himalaya** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:10 pm

Coincidentally, with the demise of Poly Evolver, DSI do not have a 'state of the art' synth that includes all of DSI's technology. Prophet 12 is not meant to be a replacement for the Evolver, so I'm thinking whether there will be another synth that will continue and expand on the Evolver design?

Jace-BeOS · Post by **Jace-BeOS** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:47 pm

Yamaha FS1R has been on my "try to get one used cheap" list for ages. It'll never happen. Those who have them now are fully interested in keeping them. That was the last and best FM synth ever devised in hardware. Too bad Yamaha couldn't market it out of the ugly public image that Sound Blaster cards had given FM synthesis by that point. And also too bad the FS1R was nearly impossible to program.

I too am bored by all the new hardware being either VA, or a Linux box running software (also sporting hard drives and fans)... I'm looking at you, Kronos...

cryophonik · Post by **cryophonik** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:03 pm

The modern Kurzweil PC3-series synths have Dynamic VAST (Variable Architecture Synthesis Technology) built into them, which can do a LOT more than just VA. I think it's one of the most overlooked features of Kurzweil synths/workstations. Not to mention that they also have the VA-1 engine for dedicated virtual analog synthesis.

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 9:07 pm

cryophonik wrote:The modern Kurzweil PC3-series synths have Dynamic VAST (Variable Architecture Synthesis Technology) built into them, which can do a LOT more than just VA. I think it's one of the most overlooked features of Kurzweil synths/workstations. Not to mention that they also have the VA-1 engine for dedicated virtual analog synthesis.

How is Dynamic VAST different from the VAST that was in the K2000/K2500?

Shy · Post by **Shy** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 9:33 pm

cryophonik wrote:The modern Kurzweil PC3-series synths have Dynamic VAST (Variable Architecture Synthesis Technology) built into them, which can do a LOT more than just VA. I think it's one of the most overlooked features of Kurzweil synths/workstations. Not to mention that they also have the VA-1 engine for dedicated virtual analog synthesis.

It's my favorite "not VA" hardware which is an extensive platform in itself. There are other, more specialized synths like ones based mainly on wave tables or "physical modeling", but nothing as "self-sufficient" and versatile as Kurzweil's Dynamic VAST, which is not as "user-friendly" as most, but is fun and interesting for someone who knows and likes to shape waveforms. I especially love FM synths, but I don't consider them "not VA", because all the important synths that are referred to as such, are as fundamentally subtractive and analog synth inspired as it gets, with only two main differences - being a much (MUCH) more compact solution and having essentially perfect stability which is not feasible with analog implementations. But otherwise, hardly "not VA".

Uncle E wrote:How is Dynamic VAST different from the VAST that was in the K2000/K2500?

Many limitations removed, much more flexibility and freedom, building your own patches (algorithms) with many more layers, much larger size and complexity possible, various additional processors, filters etc. In short, huge improvement.

Will there ever be any new hardware digital synths that aren't "virtual analog"?