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Postby Bandaide; Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:48 am Re: Roli Seaboard RISE

himalaya wrote:You can do it already, at least with Equator.

Simply assign the XY pad to pitch of all oscillators in this way:

Y - pitch up
X - pitch down

and this will give you monophonic pitch bend.

http://www.electric-himalaya.com/stuff/ ... chbend.zip


Creative thinking, himalaya. This also works with the touch faders. Assign touch fader 1 to pitch up the oscillators, and touch fader 2 to pitch them down.

This way your playing fingers can modulate the pitch polyphonically and your modulation fingers can do the same monophonically.
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Postby himalaya; Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:06 pm Re: Roli Seaboard RISE

Sure, the faders work with the technique as well, although, the XY pad makes it easier to sweep from negative to positive pitch, all done with one finger, whereas with the faders two fingers need to be used and it's more awkward (pull one fader down then push the other one up).


Bandaide wrote:
This way your playing fingers can modulate the pitch polyphonically and your modulation fingers can do the same monophonically.

But this also applies if the XY pad is used. Just don't disable Poly pitch bend (via the glide expression fader).
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Postby el-bo (formerly ebow); Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:43 am Re: Roli Seaboard RISE

himalaya wrote:
el-bo (formerly ebow) wrote:
ChamomileShark wrote:would you like to share what your requests are here too?


I have two, currently:

I would like for them to give us the option to assign one (any) of the sliders to mimic pitch-bend behaviour, and for that behaviour to be able to function as mono-expression independent of the multi-voice expression of the keywaves.


You can do it already, at least with Equator.

Simply assign the XY pad to pitch of all oscillators in this way:

Y - pitch up
X - pitch down

and this will give you monophonic pitch bend.

Then, for extra pitch control, you can eliminate the poly-pitch bend with one swipe of the GLIDE expression fader (the left fader on the Seaboard). Set it to 'zero', all the way down. This will prevent any unintentional poly-pitch fluctuations as you play and use mono-pitch bend techniques with the XY pad.


Here's an example preset I made for you, which has 5 semitones assigned to all oscillators.

http://www.electric-himalaya.com/stuff/ ... chbend.zip


Sorry, I've been absent. Got involved in other things, and have only just fired up the studio

I'm not sure if I have something set-up wrong, but I am not getting what I think is the intended result. I can hear slight pitch modulation in the background. However, the sound at the forefront remains untouched.

Am i missing something?

Thanks, again :tu:
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Postby himalaya; Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:05 am Re: Roli Seaboard RISE

Not sure what you did wrong. This preset works as intended.

See the video below:

https://youtu.be/dYOanCOYroQ
Last edited by himalaya on Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:24 am, edited 2 times in total.
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Postby himalaya; Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:09 am Re: Roli Seaboard RISE

Maybe you have another plugin running in your daw, which makes the other, unaffected sound. Or if you are running Equator standalone, then make sure that your DAW is muted (if it's also running in the background).
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Postby el-bo (formerly ebow); Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:10 am Re: Roli Seaboard RISE

himalaya wrote:Maybe you have another plugin running in your daw, which makes the other, unaffected sound. Or if you are running Equator standalone, then make sure that your DAW is muted (if it's also running in the background).


Standalone, with no DAW running. It seems I shouldn't have double clicked the preset and assigned it to open in Equator :oops:

Where should I drop the preset? Sorry, my use so far has been preset-surfing 8)
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Postby Bandaide; Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:24 am Re: Roli Seaboard RISE

Works fine for me, himalaya. For those having issues, make sure you're modulating *all* your samples/oscillators.

Been playing around with these two ways to bend the pitch monophonically (XY pad vs touch faders) and I see advantages to both. XY pad lets you use one finger. Touch faders give you better visual feedback of where you left the pitch.

Adding both to the toolbelt.
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Postby himalaya; Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:32 am Re: Roli Seaboard RISE

Bandaide wrote: For those having issues, make sure you're modulating *all* your samples/oscillators.


Yes, however the preset is already assigned to all samples and oscillators by default, so no matter what one does, the pitch will modulate as intended, unless that is, one of the oscillators or samples pitch modulations is deleted.


@el-bo

Put the preset here:

Mac/Win
...documents/ROLI/Equator/Presets/ paste here
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Postby himalaya; Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:37 am Re: Roli Seaboard RISE

Bandaide wrote:Touch faders give you better visual feedback of where you left the pitch.



Yes, and maybe the faders are better in this scenario for this reason alone. It's just more clear.
But also, the faders may be preferable since the fader will only affect the pitch assigned to it, whereas, if we use the XY pad, and maybe sweep the pitch up carelessly, then we could catch the X axis and add more pitch fluctuations which may be distracting.
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Postby el-bo (formerly ebow); Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:50 am Re: Roli Seaboard RISE

himalaya wrote:
Bandaide wrote: For those having issues, make sure you're modulating *all* your samples/oscillators.


Yes, however the preset is already assigned to all samples and oscillators by default, so no matter what one does, the pitch will modulate as intended, unless that is, one of the oscillators or samples pitch modulations is deleted.


@el-bo

Put the preset here:

Mac/Win
...documents/ROLI/Equator/Presets/ paste here


Ok, great! Or, at least it would be if I could find it anywhere within Equator.

Feeling like a proper noob! :oops:
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Postby himalaya; Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:04 am Re: Roli Seaboard RISE

If you have put the preset in the folder while Equator was open, then you need to refresh the browser in Equator.
(there is a little circular 'refresh' icon on the right of the search bar)

Then simply scroll down to find the preset or better, just type 'INIT XY" and it should pop up in the browser.
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Postby el-bo (formerly ebow); Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:10 am Re: Roli Seaboard RISE

himalaya wrote:If you have put the preset in the folder while Equator was open, then you need to refresh the browser in Equator.
(there is a little circular 'refresh' icon on the right of the search bar)

Then simply scroll down to find the preset or better, just type 'INIT XY" and it should pop up in the browser.


Nope! Nothing's coming up. Gonna have to leave this till the morning. Maybe it'll be clearer, then.

I'll let you know how I get on :tu:
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Postby himalaya; Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:16 am Re: Roli Seaboard RISE

You might need to update to the latest version, or I maybe I'm using an older build (could be why it's not showing up).
Let's both update to the latest build and I will resend the preset then.
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Postby Bandaide; Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:02 pm Re: Roli Seaboard RISE

himalaya wrote:When talking about aftertouch (whether poly or mono) it's important to remember that the Seaboards have what's called 'continuous pressure'. This is very different to how 'aftertouch' works and allows for very smooth, continuous expression via pressure. This is especially great for sounds like woodwinds, bowed strings, brass....etc.

However, if this is not desired, and you'd want to have the traditional aftertouch response in your patch, then at least in Equator, it is easily possible to get the aftertouch response by creating a deep exponential expression curve in the PRESS modulation source.


Question, himalaya. How are you dealing with this in non-Equator synths? It's my only gripe with the Seaboard. The way these controllers work, it's very difficult to separate velocity from pressure. Most of the Equator presets mitigate this with deep expression curves for pressure (many ignore pressure altogether until a certain threshold).

I wish Roli would add that option to Dashboard. Heck, I could live with not drawing my own curves. Just give me a couple curve options.
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Postby himalaya; Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:08 pm Re: Roli Seaboard RISE

It's possible to do it in other synths too as long as they have similar features, and so for example, U-he Zebra2 has its 'Mod-maps' which can be used in the same way. Alchemy has modmaps too. Haven't checked the MPE-compatible Falcon, but I would imagine that it also has some curves. Basically, it's about inserting a modifier between the modulation source and the modulation destination.

Similar response can be obtained with Ramp Envelopes. But it works differently as they introduce 'time' delay, which is not what is needed in most cases.

However, if you can, do have a look at Strobe 2 since it also has expression curves - fully editable - albeit the options here differ slightly to those in Equator. Strobe 2 provides a different sound to Equator, especialy with the unison and hard-sync sounds, which Equator can not do.

Expression curves ought to be part of every synth that calls itself 'MPE-compatible', since they are essential in making these multiple dimensions behave in a musical, controllable manner.
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