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Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:21 pm

Must be boring being a knob/switch designer at Moog, those haven't changed much since '70

Shy · Post by **Shy** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:55 pm

Numanoid wrote:Must be boring being a knob/switch designer at Moog, those haven't changed much since '70

They have changed much internally, and the shape stays similar because it's the best possible shape. It has more than just "aesthetics" in mind, it allows the best grip and precision. Each knob is usable even with a single finger, thanks to the notches, and with two fingers, you don't only get better grip, you can also know the current value without even looking at the knob, because you can feel how the edges of the notches are aligned. There's no reason to change to fancy switches either, when those work perfectly. I've used synths with many kinds of knobs, and I can say that this knob design is by far the best. That's a big advantage of the 5U format, and not by chance, such knobs are used by most 5U/MU module manufacturers, when there are no space restrictions.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:01 pm

Excuse me for saying something a little indifferent about a Moog product

Shy · Post by **Shy** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:13 pm

I have no idea what people are saying about Moog products, I just thought I'd explain what's behind this design in case you didn't know. Anyway, I see that this synth has a single VCO, so it's uninteresting to me. Not buyer-wise (I'm already set), just generally.

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:24 pm

Shy wrote: Anyway, I see that this synth has a single VCO, so it's uninteresting to me. Not buyer-wise (I'm already set), just generally.

That kind of misses the point of "modular" and/or "semi-modular".

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:26 pm

Shy wrote:I have no idea what people are saying about Moog products, I just thought I'd explain what's behind this design in case you didn't know. Anyway, I see that this synth has a single VCO, so it's uninteresting to me. Not buyer-wise (I'm already set), just generally.

Ahhh, but like a lot of modular users I already have a ton of VCS's (I have 10 other VCO's in my modular all different flavours and 8 more in in my A4), this adds 'another flavour' (vanilla moog, which is fine when mixed with Braids, Clouds etc.) - its aimed firmly at the rapidly growing at modular market or as an extension for other moogs (phatty etc.) - perfect price to performance point for me...(my Minibrute only has 1 osc and its sounds great) but if yopu want a 2 osc synth, the mini rack of two for $1000 bucks is still pretty good....get that second sequencer modulating filters etc

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:27 pm

SJ_Digriz wrote:
Shy wrote: Anyway, I see that this synth has a single VCO, so it's uninteresting to me. Not buyer-wise (I'm already set), just generally.
That kind of misses the point of "modular" and/or "semi-modular".

But if Shy prefers "standalone" synths, that is his point to make.

Not everybody is into modular setups.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:36 pm

Numanoid wrote:
SJ_Digriz wrote:
Shy wrote: Anyway, I see that this synth has a single VCO, so it's uninteresting to me. Not buyer-wise (I'm already set), just generally.
That kind of misses the point of "modular" and/or "semi-modular".
But if Shy prefers "standalone" synths, that is his point to make.

Indeed. But of course he hasn't made any point about preferring standalone synths.

Not everybody is into modular setups.

Shy, is though; he actually owns a modular system, which might be why SJ_Digriz thought to point out that the single VCO is mitigated by the system's modularity.

Shy · Post by **Shy** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:37 pm

SJ_Digriz wrote:
Shy wrote: Anyway, I see that this synth has a single VCO, so it's uninteresting to me. Not buyer-wise (I'm already set), just generally.
That kind of misses the point of "modular" and/or "semi-modular".

I don't see this as a "modular synth" product, maybe semi-modular, and since it's supposed to be sufficiently usable independently of other products, I think one VCO is far too limited. Two VCOs, including sync and whatever, would have made it a nice little synth. But I guess Moog knows something I don't know about the synth market.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:38 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:Shy, is though; he actually owns a modular system, which might be why SJ_Digriz thought to point out that the single VCO is mitigated by the system's modularity.

Suddenly I realized that the Numbo you refer to in your signature, got to be yourself

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:44 pm

by the time you slap 2 delays, 90% wet reverb, a decimator and a chorus on it, the number of VCO's won't matter much.

Jace-BeOS · Post by **Jace-BeOS** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:47 pm

Shy wrote:I don't see this as a "modular synth" product, maybe semi-modular, and since it's supposed to be sufficiently usable independently of other products, I think one VCO is far too limited. Two VCOs, including sync and whatever, would have made it a nice little synth. But I guess Moog knows something I don't know about the synth market.

Maybe they see it as a doorway drug.

All the more if you'll end up wanting another VCO. So, someone sees this as a starter into modular, at this price (if I had money...), and then grows from there...

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 6:04 pm

Numanoid wrote:
whyterabbyt wrote:Shy, is though; he actually owns a modular system, which might be why SJ_Digriz thought to point out that the single VCO is mitigated by the system's modularity.
Suddenly I realized that the Numbo you refer to in your signature, got to be yourself

No, you're just mistaken or confused. Again.

Have you actually got something useful to contribute to this thread about analogue semi-modular hardware, perhaps? That would be an interesting change, and I'm sure everyone else here, most of whom actually have an interest in the topic, would appreciate you trying for that rather than inanity.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 6:09 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:Have you actually got something useful to contribute to this thread about analogue semi-modular hardware, perhaps?

Well do I understand you correctly that you and PC Numbo have discussed the issue together, and is gonna ban me now then?

...and the persistence of the questioning and interrogation!

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 6:17 pm

Have you actually got something useful to contribute to this thread about analogue semi-modular hardware, perhaps?

Moog Mother - 32 Semi Modular Synth