MeldaProduction

steve2KVR · Post by **steve2KVR** » Sat May 13, 2017 3:24 pm

@Svama, you may be "overthinking" this thing a bit. Somewhere above Vojtech gave as succinct a use case as is possible: adjust the input gain to where the response goes equally above and below the center line(threshold), then adjust the output as necessary. That's pretty much it! The one and only "preset!"

Sorry, could not follow your observation about "midrange." I would need to know something more about the entire signal chain/flow and the content to comment. FWIW, I am very pleased with how MAV works for me..hth.../s~

alexis1 · Post by **alexis1** » Tue May 16, 2017 2:07 pm

Duplicate, sorry.

alexis1 · Post by **alexis1** » Tue May 16, 2017 2:09 pm

Svama wrote:I'm also trying to achieve good and faster results with mav than manually editing vocals, but until now I didn't get results I like so I started doing it manually again.
Maybe there should be a starting preset for vocals, bass, guitar..... and you only need to tweak the speed to taste if it is that easy and possible.
If someone have good starting points please share. I've already spent so much time and was only disappointed at the end.
Often the midrange get very busy and overemphasised. Tried the filters in the bottom for no heavy reaction on the highs, maybe that's the problem?! Are you using the filters e.g. for vocals?

My experience as well.

alexis1 · Post by **alexis1** » Tue May 16, 2017 2:17 pm

mibby wrote:I seem to recall Vojtech saying NOT to use more than one instance of MAV on a track. (??) Please correct me if I'm wrong!

Can someone confirm this one way or the other please?

I have sequentially run vocals through several iterations of MautoVolume, each at "low intensity" to try and smooth out extremely dynamic vocals. That seemed to work ok (but was so labor-intensive I have essentially gone back to clip automation and track volume automation).

If there is a real recommendation to not put more than one instance of MAuotoVolume on a single track, does that imply that it is also not recommended to run the audio several times through MautoVolume (but each with only one instance at a time on the track)?

Thanks!

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Tue May 16, 2017 3:37 pm

Not a problem with multiple instances at all of course! But I'd suggest using different speeds, otherwise it would probably be all possible with a single instance. But it could be quite logical to use for example a slow instance first to avoid big but slow fluctuations and then one fast instance to stabilize, well, separate syllables.

alexis1 · Post by **alexis1** » Wed May 17, 2017 3:45 am

steve2KVR wrote:...Somewhere above Vojtech gave as succinct a use case as is possible: adjust the input gain to where the response goes equally above and below the center line(threshold), then adjust the output as necessary. That's pretty much it! The one and only "preset!"
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Sorry, posting from Numkin central here ... if anybody would have the time and be kind-hearted enough to give a vid or other visual, or otherwise to explain the above further, I would be very grateful. Thank you in advance if possible!

alexis1 · Post by **alexis1** » Wed May 17, 2017 3:47 am

MeldaProduction wrote:Not a problem with multiple instances at all of course! But I'd suggest using different speeds, otherwise it would probably be all possible with a single instance. But it could be quite logical to use for example a slow instance first to avoid big but slow fluctuations and then one fast instance to stabilize, well, separate syllables.

Thank you for the 411!

Just to clarify - is there any problem with putting the multiple instances in the same track (as suggested in an earlier post)?

Thanks again!

steve2KVR · Post by **steve2KVR** » Wed May 17, 2017 4:30 pm

...glad to share what I've learned so far...2 questions...
1/are you using side-chain or the internal signal for your detection source?
2/where is MAV placed in the signal chain?
...and I've attached the setting from a typical vocal channel and if you place that in an instance of MAV we can start from the same settings.

I will see if I can create a vid example using the same.../s~

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mibby · Post by **mibby** » Wed May 17, 2017 5:14 pm

What does one do with the "code" you just posted?? I assume it's a preset, but...

BTW, thanks!

DarkStar · Post by **DarkStar** » Wed May 17, 2017 5:31 pm

Select it all and copy it. Then, in MAV, select an unused A..H slot, and click the Paste button just below the [A/B] button on the right-hand side.

After that, save it as a preset,

mibby · Post by **mibby** » Wed May 17, 2017 5:53 pm

steve2KVR · Post by **steve2KVR** » Wed May 17, 2017 10:29 pm

...the "code" I post IS NOT a "preset" or "solution" that has any general/universal application, but rather a starting point for a discussion with alexis1 (and anyone else that would like contribute)...the code comes from a current project in the "tracking/mixing" stage...fwtw.../s~

alexis1 · Post by **alexis1** » Thu May 18, 2017 4:52 am

steve2KVR wrote:...the "code" I post IS NOT a "preset" or "solution" that has any general/universal application, but rather a starting point for a discussion with alexis1 (and anyone else that would like contribute)...the code comes from a current project in the "tracking/mixing" stage...fwtw.../s~

Thank you steve2KVR!

I've downloaded it into "A", and also copied into "B", where I've applied it to a vocal clip, making some changes, spent probably a good hour becoming more familiar with the plugin (it's been a while since I used it).

While I gained a better understanding of how to drive it, I wasn't able to achieve any minimally helpful amount of "smoothing" effect without adding audible distortion to the vocals. I turned off the side chain button (working with the audio clip alone), and of course adjusted parameters like input gain to make the gain curve dance up and down around the "zero" line, sensitivity, speed, look ahead, and output gain.

It's not a hugely dynamic vocal clip, relatively speaking.

Is your preset one with typical values for "typically dynamic" (ha!) vocals?

Thanks again!

PS: Sorry, to address your two questions - it's placed as the only insert in a "single vocal clip only" project in Cubase (and so there is no side chain). Thanks again

alexis1 · Post by **alexis1** » Thu May 18, 2017 5:12 am

Dup, sorry.

Svama · Post by **Svama** » Thu May 18, 2017 5:30 am

Steve2kvr isn't an allround setup with sidechain enabled. I tried for myself and it's to aggressive for me on a vocal.
Alexis it seems like you changed all parameters and ended up with your own preset.

My personal workflow is like this:

Before MAV I use a deesser (MSpectralDynamics or what you like), then MAV

1. don't use the input volume inside mav for dancing around zero, instead use the daw clip gain until you have the same effect. This helps for abing with and without MAV without volume differents!
2. play with the speed knob with fast enabled until you really hear distortion, unnatural volume changes and dial it back a bit.
3. Set up Noise floor, that it´s only catching the vocal and not all breathes and other dirt. Therefore take the quitest part of your vocal and dial the knob until it starts attaching it at noise and now turn it back a smitch, that it doesn´t affect the vocal. At this point you can also fine tune the speed, so that it doesn´t go down to fast after a vocal phrase.
4. play with sensitivity, to much sounds really unnatural to me, until 45% I'm fine.
5. Detector, highpass at 100hz doesn´t hurt!
6. Set up Output volume, so that it correlate to the input and isn´t louder or quiter!

Lookahead is still a mysterium for me. I know what it does, but don't know how to set it up in relation to the speed parameter. But cou can A/B it easily with diferrent settings!

That's it to me. And as always use your ears!

Now use your standard vocal chain after it.

And after that a second mav where you can try to use the sidechain function, feeded by the instrumental of your song.

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