"Proof of Concept"
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- KVRAF
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- 5017 posts since 13 Dec, 2005 from The Void
My first offering to the Alchemaic Digitalis movement.
One sloppy take on the fly in Metaphysical Function with an....experimental..sample map I've been quietly working on(for once).
Dedicated to my good friend, Dystonia_ek.
Friends 4 Life
Part I
One sloppy take on the fly in Metaphysical Function with an....experimental..sample map I've been quietly working on(for once).
Dedicated to my good friend, Dystonia_ek.
Friends 4 Life
Part I
Jens, "B.t.w.: it appears I was wrong"
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suburban grilla suburban grilla https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=31256
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- 636 posts since 29 Jun, 2004 from dogbed
Restrained, almost gentle to start, but becomes more insistent, like a nagging toothache...
Metaphysical Function, is that a reaktor thingo?
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Metaphysical Function, is that a reaktor thingo?
edit: typo
Last edited by suburban grilla on Wed Mar 01, 2006 9:34 am, edited 1 time in total.
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- KVRAF
- 7672 posts since 9 Nov, 2003 from Netherlands
I'll say it once and I'll say it again;
Elusive and elating
A treat for the ears with that curly edge of near distro aided by that eerie and hauntingly padmosphere
Elusive and elating
A treat for the ears with that curly edge of near distro aided by that eerie and hauntingly padmosphere
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- KVRAF
- 3588 posts since 13 May, 2004 from montreal
Sickle wrote:My first offering to the Alchemaic Digitalis movement.
One sloppy take on the fly in Metaphysical Function with an....experimental..sample map I've been quietly working on(for once).
Dedicated to my good friend, Dystonia_ek.
Be back in a few minutes...
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- KVRAF
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- 5017 posts since 13 Dec, 2005 from The Void
I figured that would amuse you.dystonia_ek wrote:
Jens, "B.t.w.: it appears I was wrong"
- KVRAF
- 8680 posts since 9 Jan, 2004 from leroyaumeuni
hi
My other host is Bruce Forsyth
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- KVRAF
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- 5017 posts since 13 Dec, 2005 from The Void
Jens, "B.t.w.: it appears I was wrong"
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- KVRAF
- 3588 posts since 13 May, 2004 from montreal
You're a good improviser with a natural feel for this sort of thing. Seems like you're pretty much in control of the sounds here, even if it's less developed than what you usually do. Sounds like some redlining toward the end, but maybe that's intentional. All in all, a nice, mysterious atmosphere.
I get the impression that the comment I made in that other thread ended up rubbing some folks the wrong way (and I assume the 'proof of concept' headline is a jab at that) - it wasn't intended to be some sort of dictatorial statement, just a personal viewpoint on 'experimentalism' versus, for example, improvisation (which, though spontaneous, is not necessarily experimental). I probably should have pointed out that I think the aesthetics of music are basically superfluous, and that the meat of the matter is found in what the sounds suggest beneath the surface, no matter what sort of sounds they might be.
Maybe it's also that this 'what is experimental music' discourse has been running in a loop everywhere I've been for the last two decades... eventually the same circular discussions cease to have any point. Sometimes you have to make a provocative statement just to point the conversation in a less pedantic direction.
One viewpoint similar to that of my own, maybe useful for context, is that of Stefan Knappe of Maeror Tri/Troum (forgive the somewhat stilted English, he's German):
http://www.troum.com/maeror/archaic.music.html
Note that the vague category of music he's trying to define has little to do with any sort of experiments in process, it has everything to do with creating something that is somehow greater than the sum of its parts. The other thing that can be observed about many artists that could be said to be following this path, is that there's really no sense of hit-and-miss flailing about in the dark. The music just comes out, fully formed, without hesitation, affirmative (this doesn't mean that it has to be attached to any variety of concrete conceptual intentions). You hear that in the best free improvisation, when it's really on. Your own music does this often. Does this mean a successful experiment? Or does it mean that you've coming closer to the point where you know exactly what you're doing, and why?
Anyway, this is getting long, so end of rant.
I get the impression that the comment I made in that other thread ended up rubbing some folks the wrong way (and I assume the 'proof of concept' headline is a jab at that) - it wasn't intended to be some sort of dictatorial statement, just a personal viewpoint on 'experimentalism' versus, for example, improvisation (which, though spontaneous, is not necessarily experimental). I probably should have pointed out that I think the aesthetics of music are basically superfluous, and that the meat of the matter is found in what the sounds suggest beneath the surface, no matter what sort of sounds they might be.
Maybe it's also that this 'what is experimental music' discourse has been running in a loop everywhere I've been for the last two decades... eventually the same circular discussions cease to have any point. Sometimes you have to make a provocative statement just to point the conversation in a less pedantic direction.
One viewpoint similar to that of my own, maybe useful for context, is that of Stefan Knappe of Maeror Tri/Troum (forgive the somewhat stilted English, he's German):
http://www.troum.com/maeror/archaic.music.html
Note that the vague category of music he's trying to define has little to do with any sort of experiments in process, it has everything to do with creating something that is somehow greater than the sum of its parts. The other thing that can be observed about many artists that could be said to be following this path, is that there's really no sense of hit-and-miss flailing about in the dark. The music just comes out, fully formed, without hesitation, affirmative (this doesn't mean that it has to be attached to any variety of concrete conceptual intentions). You hear that in the best free improvisation, when it's really on. Your own music does this often. Does this mean a successful experiment? Or does it mean that you've coming closer to the point where you know exactly what you're doing, and why?
Anyway, this is getting long, so end of rant.
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- KVRAF
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- 5017 posts since 13 Dec, 2005 from The Void
Sorry, yes, it's from Reaktor's Electronic Instruments v2.suburban grilla wrote:Metaphysical Function, is that a reaktor thingo?
Jens, "B.t.w.: it appears I was wrong"
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- KVRAF
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- 5017 posts since 13 Dec, 2005 from The Void
It was. I had Flatblaster's peak limiter set at -.005 through the recording to help tame it, but yeah, pretty much came out exactly how I intended it to.dystonia_ek wrote:Sounds like some redlining toward the end, but maybe that's intentional. All in all, a nice, mysterious atmosphere.
Yeah, it's a jab, but I'm not one of the people you rubbed the wrong way at all; quiete the contrary; I got a good laugh out of the unexpected burst of non-pretentious honesty that you dropped into the discussion.dystonia_ek wrote:I get the impression that the comment I made in that other thread ended up rubbing some folks the wrong way (and I assume the 'proof of concept' headline is a jab at that) -
For the record, I agree not only with what you said there, but also with what you have said here.
Completely. I might not have gone down as deep as you have, but trying to explain the point of Black Angels to a metalhead in the early 90's was a real chore..And I'm sure you remember the uncomfortable crossing over some experienced between pure grindcore and this weird new Godlflesh shit..
That really polarized alot of people for a few years. Me, I saw the Future.
Bottom line about all that is, my main context in the arguments was for a place to provide. My role in the discussions began and ended there.
That way, I can get back to making my crap in peace.
Jens, "B.t.w.: it appears I was wrong"
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- KVRAF
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- 5017 posts since 13 Dec, 2005 from The Void
If you guess what the sample(s) is/are you win a bannana courtesy of spaceman.Hovmod wrote:Well, this requires a little more active listening than most of your work. I find myself leaning into it...
Straight to the 'keep' folder.
I hear bananna's are really good in Belgium this time of year.
Jens, "B.t.w.: it appears I was wrong"
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experimental.crow experimental.crow https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6258
- KVRAF
- 6895 posts since 9 Mar, 2003 from the bridge of sighs
the use of MF is something that always has drawn my interest ...
the potential of this .ens , with the innovative use of samples ,
opens all sorts of portals ...
the track contains elements that are veiled and can only be indirectly referenced ...
hauntingly familiar , but disturbingly altered ...
if you'd care to expound , on your sample map , i'd like to hear about it ...
the potential of this .ens , with the innovative use of samples ,
opens all sorts of portals ...
the track contains elements that are veiled and can only be indirectly referenced ...
hauntingly familiar , but disturbingly altered ...
if you'd care to expound , on your sample map , i'd like to hear about it ...
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- KVRAF
- 3588 posts since 13 May, 2004 from montreal
I remember when the Grindcrusher comp came out at the end of the 80's - a friend of mine who ran a punk/metal distro played it to me, saying 'It's all really good except for this one shitty track,' and he played the Godflesh (the title track from 'Streetcleaner'). I tried to convince him how f**king amazing it was but he was like 'drum machines suck, man'. What can you do.Sickle wrote: Completely. I might not have gone down as deep as you have, but trying to explain the point of Black Angels to a metalhead in the early 90's was a real chore..And I'm sure you remember the uncomfortable crossing over some experienced between pure grindcore and this weird new Godflesh shit..
I think the metal folks are a little more open minded now, though. Just took awhile.
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- KVRAF
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- 5017 posts since 13 Dec, 2005 from The Void
heh..normal wrote:if you'd care to expound , on your sample map , i'd like to hear about it ...
'Friends 4 Life' is a phrase that has nothing to do with Dystonia; it's an ironic perversion of sentiment that I've been kicking around in my head for a few weeks. I intend to be cruel.
This hopefully(if I can maintain productivity in the face of ALOT of current tasks), is the first of a(future) series.
Jens, "B.t.w.: it appears I was wrong"