Mastering Contest: The Sequel!!!
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 19134 posts since 13 Feb, 2003 from Vancouver, Canada
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- KVRian
- 992 posts since 16 Dec, 2002
No worries mon, they're uploading now. Give em about 20 minutes to finish before y'all grab them ...SynDrone wrote:sorry about that dburgen, had a few maintanance issues I had to take care of. It's up and running now.
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- KVRian
- 1219 posts since 12 Aug, 2002
Sounds OK then...?bduffy wrote:Kilroy! This is sweet! Woo! Great job!!! You've really got a clean middle and highs on this one. Shit, fantastic. I need to check on some other speakers when I get a chance, but this is awesome.
I thought you wanted something by Monday next, so I gave it a go after a pretty late one...normally a very bad idea. Have not had a listen to it since...I'm sort of in overload mode here for a bit. Might get a chance this evening...
Nice tune, by the by...Floydish in scope and execution.
To the mind that is still, the whole universe surrenders - Lao Tzu
- KVRAF
- 6478 posts since 16 Dec, 2002
Holy sh*t sherlock! I mean kilroy. You did it again. What a GREAT rescue job you did there. The master is quite awesome really.
You'll have more (reasonably well paid) work when my album needs that same touch.
You'll have more (reasonably well paid) work when my album needs that same touch.
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- Banned
- 105 posts since 1 Feb, 2006
Kingston wrote:Holy sh*t sherlock! I mean kilroy. You did it again. What a GREAT rescue job you did there. The master is quite awesome really.
You'll have more (reasonably well paid) work when my album needs that same touch.
Kilroy is super.
- KVRAF
- 6478 posts since 16 Dec, 2002
Bduffy,
One thing that strikes me as a problem with the mix, are the S:sses of the singer. It's a problem with the mic/preamp combo I guess, and they could've been better. The song itself, instrumentation and general mixdown quality are otherwise great (now that kilroy revealed it in its full glory).
I don't know wether it's still possible, but I'd recommend re-recording the vocals with better gear (renting high-end stuff is reasonably cheap).
But it's pretty damn good already.
One thing that strikes me as a problem with the mix, are the S:sses of the singer. It's a problem with the mic/preamp combo I guess, and they could've been better. The song itself, instrumentation and general mixdown quality are otherwise great (now that kilroy revealed it in its full glory).
I don't know wether it's still possible, but I'd recommend re-recording the vocals with better gear (renting high-end stuff is reasonably cheap).
But it's pretty damn good already.
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 19134 posts since 13 Feb, 2003 from Vancouver, Canada
Hey Kingston, I don't know why I'm not getting email notificatoins, I didn't notice there was chatter here, sorry guys!Kingston wrote:Bduffy,
One thing that strikes me as a problem with the mix, are the S:sses of the singer. It's a problem with the mic/preamp combo I guess, and they could've been better. The song itself, instrumentation and general mixdown quality are otherwise great (now that kilroy revealed it in its full glory).
I don't know wether it's still possible, but I'd recommend re-recording the vocals with better gear (renting high-end stuff is reasonably cheap).
But it's pretty damn good already.
I fully agree, I've had a tough time with some of these vocals; I believe these were recorded at the singer's homemade booth setup, which was a Studio Projects C-1 going into a Mackie mixer. The booth was untreated, as I recall, so I'm sure there's some weird ambience issues, plus the C-1 is known for a high-boost.
Now, on top of that, I just recalled that we sped this song up; it was way too slow before, so we decided to bump it up a few bpm. The singer has been time-stretched, fellas (did I confess already?), so I think that's where some of the impossible distortion has been coming from. Thanks to you guys, I have determined that:
- There is still too much sibilance on the voice
- the voice is distorted
- the hi-hats are too sibilant
- the song is rather relentless in its arrangement
- there are probably a couple things I could do to make it even better
- this is not the final mix of the song
And you guys are just amazing with the masters. Wow. Like Kingston said, I'm hearing elements I thought were lost. It's so cool that there is a place where you can do this!
Now, because I think I have to revisit the mix (I got a chance to upgrade the orchestra samples even), I guess this ain't the final mix. Does that nullify the contest? I can still call a winner by next Monday; I still need to get masters from ToTc and Pinga, very curious to hear those. I think SynDrone has closed his ftp, so you have to post your own, or let me know and I can provide space. It's a tough call, that's for sure; I like something about everyone's latest masters (I know you're watching in the wings for a hint as to whom I like best, Pinga! )
So yeah, let's definitely cut it off by Monday, and I'm going to take all this information and come back with the best freakin' tune ever! Kingston, glad you like the song, means a lot coming from you. I need to tap you for M/S advice one of these days...I just don't get it, but I like that freaky stereo sound...but I digress.
- KVRAF
- 6478 posts since 16 Dec, 2002
funny with you being so harsh (pun intended) with the song. I would've "radio ready" ok'd it already, apart from the harshness in vocals, and even that is not a total disaster.
timescretching on main vox though... whoops.
timescretching on main vox though... whoops.
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- Banned
- 105 posts since 1 Feb, 2006
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If your going to remix at all then lets post pone this until its done.
But thats a huge task.
Even 1 adjustment alters everything and sometimes you feel as though you might as well remix from scratch. But if this is the case you have to make damn sure you push out a song that rivals this one, and even better it.
This song, at the moment is awesome.
If i was you id think about taking the time shift processing off, as that is the biggest killer of quality.
If your going to remix at all then lets post pone this until its done.
But thats a huge task.
Even 1 adjustment alters everything and sometimes you feel as though you might as well remix from scratch. But if this is the case you have to make damn sure you push out a song that rivals this one, and even better it.
This song, at the moment is awesome.
If i was you id think about taking the time shift processing off, as that is the biggest killer of quality.
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- KVRian
- 1219 posts since 12 Aug, 2002
Right bduffy...I had a fresh listen to my mastering, just now. I think it is probably reasonable enough. Nevertheless I went back in and adjusted the behavior of the compressor a wee bit...it is quite subtle, just a little slower attack and a slightly longer release. In all other respects things remain the same, and quite possibly the new compressor settings will go unnoticed on some monitoring systems...just the same, I feel better for having done it.
http://www.headroomproductions.com/Mast ... aster2.wav
I had a good chuckle over the time stretched vocals. What is funny is that couldn't really figure out what was up with the vocals. The "distortion" did not really sound like preamp overloading to me, nor did it sound like microphone distortion exactly...now I know why.
http://www.headroomproductions.com/Mast ... aster2.wav
I had a good chuckle over the time stretched vocals. What is funny is that couldn't really figure out what was up with the vocals. The "distortion" did not really sound like preamp overloading to me, nor did it sound like microphone distortion exactly...now I know why.
To the mind that is still, the whole universe surrenders - Lao Tzu