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Meloday
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Postby Meloday; Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:29 pm

PTV wrote:Don't know The Hero's Journey model but i really enjoyed listening to it - a great ambient work with an interesting structure :D


Thanks, PTV, for listening and responding. Much appreciated. Glad you liked it! :D
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Postby shamann; Wed Jul 25, 2007 5:50 am

The score is interesting. Have you tried getting anyone else to perform from it? What's most interesting to me is that the narrative is the only thing rigidly defined, or are there accompanying materials not shown here?
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Postby Meloday; Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:59 am

shamann wrote:The score is interesting. Have you tried getting anyone else to perform from it?


No, I haven't. Though, I've always thought it would be really cool to gather a few other experimental electronic musicians and do a performance/improv based on the graphical score....


shamann wrote:What's most interesting to me is that the narrative is the only thing rigidly defined


Yes. Only the arrangemnt of the composition is structured around The Hero's Journey model. All other elements--instrumentation, percieved tempo etc.--and how these elements interact with one another, was a very 'free form' process...

I know you're a Cecilia/Csound user, shamann. The piece was composed in Cecilia/Csound and all sounds that you hear are processed through Cecilia/Csound. Cecilia/Csound was really great to use because, since i had already determined the length of each movement prior to composing/processing, i simply loaded the chosen sound source that represented that specific movement, set the 'duration' in Cecilia/Csound, tweaked the parameters for the maximum effect/emotion for that specific point in the story, then rendered. I then took those audio files and structured the arrangement in a sequencer....

shamann wrote:or are there accompanying materials not shown here?


Yeah, i have a whole thesis here! :hihi: Since the composition and write-up portion of the thesis are inextricably linked, reading the thesis before listening to the piece would, undoubtedly, give you a lot more insight into the piece itself...let me know if you'd like to take a look at it...

:)
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Postby Meloday; Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:19 am

in case anyone is interested, here is the Spectral Processing Structure of the piece....followed by an explanation from my thesis.....

http://jazzyspoon.com/MELODAY%20TRACKS/ ... 20jpeg.JPG

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Referring to the three main movements of the Hero's Journey as different 'worlds', one might conclude that there might be a universal commonality that link these worlds. To achieve this, musically, I processed a single piece of audio three different times to achieve three different results. These three tracks represent the three main World movements(big circles in the graphical score). By doing this it could be said that, even though they represent different worlds, they all come from the same sound universe.

For the single piece of 'universal' audio material, I recorded some simple chords, using a software synthesizer called Chimera. Chimera is an interesting synthesizer in that it only uses white noise as its sound source. The white noise is then filtered into notes using band-pass filters. Similar to white light, which is made up of all of the colours of the spectrum, white noise is a combination of all waveforms and has equal and infinite strengths at all frequencies. Since white noise contains all waveforms, it could be considered an all-encompassing universal sound source. I thought it fitting to use such a sound source to represent my sound universe and the different World movements within it.

Each of the successive sub-movements(rectangular blocks in the graphical score) are spectral variants of its own World movement. Furthermore, each of the sub-movements is processed progressively. For example, the Ordinary World movement is a spectral variant of the original piece of audio. The Call to Adventure sub-movement is a spectral variant of the Ordinary Word. The Refusal of the Call sub-movement is a spectral variation of the Call to Adventure. The Crossing the Threshold sub-movement is a spectral variant of the Refusal of the Call. So, the further we travel into a particular World movement, the further sub-movements progress away from the original audio material. Though, with each new World movement, we are brought back to a single spectral variant of the original piece of audio.
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When i say spectral variant here, i mean, simply, that the audio has undergone another stage of transformation using FFT based effects.....


:)
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Postby Meloday; Fri Aug 03, 2007 5:18 pm

re-up

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Postby rachmiel; Sat Aug 04, 2007 6:47 am

an ambitious and impressive opus electronicus. :-) lots to like along the journey. i'm with shamann regarding the form: i'm drawn to pieces that tell abstract musical, rather than narrative, stories. back in my german days, i used to compose pieces that followed storylines: a personal transformation, the life cycle of a plant, a supernova explosion. but i found that the 'plot' often controlled the sound, thus limiting it.
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Postby mystahr; Sat Aug 04, 2007 11:21 am

It surely was captivating, even for the second listen. My third listen will be next saturday on NTNS
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Postby Meloday; Tue Aug 07, 2007 7:02 pm

rachmiel wrote:an ambitious and impressive opus electronicus. :-) lots to like along the journey


thanks, rachmiel :D

rachmiel wrote:i'm with shamann regarding the form: i'm drawn to pieces that tell abstract musical, rather than narrative, stories. back in my german days, i used to compose pieces that followed storylines: a personal transformation, the life cycle of a plant, a supernova explosion. but i found that the 'plot' often controlled the sound, thus limiting it.


Yeah, i know what you mean. i rarely take such a disciplined approach in my everyday music. it would drive me insane! But this was for a thesis...and one of the points of the thesis was to have the plot dictate the structure....not to mention, the more i structured it, the more i could write about it....god knows i barely made the page count anyway!

thanks again for listening 8)
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Postby Meloday; Tue Aug 07, 2007 7:07 pm

mystahr wrote:It surely was captivating, even for the second listen.


thanks mystahr! much appreciated :D

mystahr wrote:My third listen will be next saturday on NTNS


NTNS, is that your radio show? fantastic! let me know when!

:D
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Postby annode; Wed Aug 08, 2007 2:33 pm

Musically it didn't do anything for me sorry to say.
I am a big experimental electronic music fan, but the sound didn't appeal to me. The mastering was especialy harsh on these "harse" mackies. It was difficult for me to listen to any louder then at soft volume.

I applaud you for posting this.It was very interesting with all your organizational graphics.

I think my favorite hero story might be the film "Unbreakable".
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0217869/

I'm certainly not in your class,but I feel that the narrative,or maybe i'd call it the storyboard, is as hard as the sound and seems to me to lack any real humanism in telling this archetypal story.
Such stories are what make us all part of the human collective.
But you seemed to have created more of a scientific presentation here.

These are just my thoughts. I really don't have a clue how to pass your music thesis. : ^)
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Postby Meloday; Wed Aug 08, 2007 3:17 pm

annode wrote:Musically it didn't do anything for me sorry to say.
I am a big experimental electronic music fan, but the sound didn't appeal to me. The mastering was especialy harsh on these "harse" mackies. It was difficult for me to listen to any louder then at soft volume


Fair enough. Thanks for listening :D

It doesn't suprise me about the mix/mastering sounding rough. I threw the stereo mix together rather quickly. It was originally mixed for 5.1(there was a structural mixing stratagy for 5.1 that obviously doesn't have the same effect as stereo)

annode wrote:I applaud you for posting this.It was very interesting with all your organizational graphics.


:)

annode wrote:I think my favorite hero story might be the film "Unbreakable".
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0217869/


yes....great story.....

annode wrote:I'm certainly not in your class,but I feel that the narrative,or maybe i'd call it the storyboard, is as hard as the sound and seems to me to lack any real humanism in telling this archetypal story


Well, the goal of the thesis was not to see if i could compose a piece that felt like it was telling an archetypal story...it wasn't, neccessarily, supposed to evoke the feeling of a sweeping tale or anything that we inherently relate to storied music. rather, it was to take the structure of 'The Hero's Journey'(which explains the archetypal elements that make up a hero story)and fill it up with a musical composition...whatever comes out the other end, and whether or not it tells a story, is up for interpretation by the listener. The music was supposed to parallel the 'action' of the story, not to re-tell it.....but i'll shut up now and stop trying to defend it....it's not like i'm going to get a better grade now! :x :hihi:

annode wrote:But you seemed to have created more of a scientific presentation here.


Well, this wasn't a purely compositional degree (MA Music Tech). so yeah, i had to delve into some programming, fft, spectral music etc...that's where the scientific stuff comes from....

annode wrote:These are just my thoughts. I really don't have a clue how to pass your music thesis


and thanks for your thoughts. much appreciated :D
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Postby annode; Wed Aug 08, 2007 3:27 pm

Thanks for the replies. I understand better now what your were after.
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Postby Meloday; Wed Aug 08, 2007 3:33 pm

annode wrote:Thanks for the replies. I understand better now what your were after.


:D

annode wrote:Such stories are what make us all part of the human collective.


This sums up pretty much all of Joseph Campbell's work....if you're interested in this kind of thing, i'd check him out.... 8)
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