Arglebargle wrote:wtf??
who knew ?
jancivil wrote:well, you know, my argument addressed things specifically, and was an argument. what is this shit?lotus2035 wrote:...It makes just as much sense as pages of pseudo-intellectual "I'm smarter than you and I'm not going to lose this argument" babble....which in the end is just as pointless and changes NOTHING...jancivil wrote:I can see you care enough about the argument to be just this articulate
swell
I expect nothing to change, you're stuck!
- your lack of any argument (but you post some noise anyway) is just one aspect of this amazing lack. I got tired of holding my breath on it. I totally eschewed posting it in any thread where you dudes hang out, it's not my thing, and like I said, I have no issue with how people choose to waste time on a planet.
If this behavior lacked consequences for the rest of the world, I'd ignore it. Thing is (which I took the time to construct an argument behind):
I think you're entrained to not have any interest in rhythm, to be lazy, you expect the machines you bought to do all your work for you, and your thinking appears to be corrupt... and this sort of stupidity is contagious, as I said;
your MO seem to be supporting my point very well.
nicely said. I'll boil my thought down to this: it must have some sense of humanity, to be 'good music'.blortblort wrote:though it probably has NO place here, this whole discussion brought me back to a place in my life when I wondered why I liked so many different kinds of music...I mean everything from the experimental bangin' and scrapping you are likely to hear some nights on various college radio stations to stuff that would embarrass most folks that happen by kvr
some time in the late 80's I heard an interview with Col Bruce Hampton... on a college radio station... while the Colonel was a little difficult to manage- the interviewer did give him a good question: "what is good music?"
and while I'm certainly paraphrasing...His answer is a good one:
"good music has to have some element of folk or jazz and a sense of emotional urgency"
this has stuck with me.
sure- it's a bit of an open statement still subject to interpretations, but for me- it resonates... and while it's not necessarily a litmus test- sometimes I do use the "Hampton criteria" when I'm wondering *why* I like a tune.
Seeing as you ignored my last post Ill just ask:jancivil wrote:I'll boil my thought down to this: it must have some sense of humanity, to be 'good music'.
runagate wrote:Damn, that's too badjustin3am wrote:the explanations doesn't demystify it at all.
3am
I was really hoping that the in-depth walk-through would benefit someone.
I guess I need to make videos or at least have example mp3s that demonstrate step-by-step how to do these tricks.
I really had fun making this song. I know that 50% of everything I use my pluggies for is techniques that some kid reading Computer Music would be excited about, much like I used to be a mere 2 years ago. I want to share.
it is of course easier to say in terms of what defines 'not human'lotus2035 wrote:Seeing as you ignored my last post Ill just ask:jancivil wrote:I'll boil my thought down to this: it must have some sense of humanity, to be 'good music'.
Define "Humanity" - (In terms of music creation)...
well if you're trying to go for the spinal tap quotient 'fine line between clever and stupid', I do prefer Nigel's clever to yourslotus2035 wrote:jancivil wrote:well, you know, my argument addressed things specifically, and was an argument. what is this shit?lotus2035 wrote:...It makes just as much sense as pages of pseudo-intellectual "I'm smarter than you and I'm not going to lose this argument" babble....which in the end is just as pointless and changes NOTHING...jancivil wrote:I can see you care enough about the argument to be just this articulate
swell
I expect nothing to change, you're stuck!
- your lack of any argument (but you post some noise anyway) is just one aspect of this amazing lack. I got tired of holding my breath on it. I totally eschewed posting it in any thread where you dudes hang out, it's not my thing, and like I said, I have no issue with how people choose to waste time on a planet.
If this behavior lacked consequences for the rest of the world, I'd ignore it. Thing is (which I took the time to construct an argument behind):
I think you're entrained to not have any interest in rhythm, to be lazy, you expect the machines you bought to do all your work for you, and your thinking appears to be corrupt... and this sort of stupidity is contagious, as I said;
your MO seem to be supporting my point very well.
..I made two posts, one in jest and you lump me in with "you dudes"!!... I happen to listen to a wide variety of music and am no genre-bunny...
Anyway, its my opinion that those who seem to have difficulty keeping in touch with their own humanity tend to find it more difficult to deal with things they deem "non-human" when discussing music and tend to throw words like "cold" "sterile" "unfeeling" etc around as if they have some kind of monopoly on human feeling because all the music they admire is played by real people on "real" instruments...bullshit!!...
what the hell is more real about an electric guitar or a drum kit than a computer anyway?...
and dont say the human behind it. Music on computers doesnt create itself...
A computer is no more unnatural than a saxophone, guitar, drum kit whatever, they dont grow on trees either..
This whole "human" argument is without merit and depends on simply perception of what is acceptable based on the time frame we were born into....
400 years ago Chuck Berry and his band would have been burnt at the stake for playing "Johnny be good" and without a doubt be branded "in-human" or such rubbish....
Listening to perfectly timed beats made by machines does not make one "robotic", in fact, it helps to highlight ones own humanity through the obvious contrast... Its a synergy of human feeling and mathemathical ability, the mixture of the left and right hemispheres of the brain working together... but if you dont get it, you dont get it..
If you knew anything about the effort electronic music production takes you would see how ridiculous using the word LAZY is in context...
EDIT: and thanks for calling me stupid...It seems that my sarcastic post in big letters hit the mark...
hey, you wanna compare the math it takes to do my shit with your 4x4? you have GOT to be kidding me with this stuffIts a synergy of human feeling and mathemathical ability, the mixture of the left and right hemispheres of the brain working together... but if you dont get it, you dont get it..
pass it over here man...vurt wrote:wow.
just, wow.
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