Fragile Gods - "Vanishing Point" (remastered by Seismic & layzer)
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 6325 posts since 18 Jul, 2008 from New York
My second track is finally ready. I put more work into the sound design and mix on this one than I did on my first track. Most sounds were programmed from scratch and abused with a hardware tube compressor (Drawmer TubeStation1).
I was very fortunate to have this remastered by two KVRers:
This is Seismic's version:
Fragile Gods "Vanishing Point" Remastered by Seismic (320kbps / 11.4MB)
http://soundcloud.com/fragilegods/vanishingpoint
This is Layzer's version:
Fragile Gods "Vanishing Point" - Remastered by Layzer v2 (160kbps / 5.7MB)
http://soundcloud.com/fragilegods/vanis ... t2/s-jFwTr
Any feedback is appreciated.
Synths: Korg PolySix, Tone2 Rayblaster, Audjoo Helix, Tattoo
I was very fortunate to have this remastered by two KVRers:
This is Seismic's version:
Fragile Gods "Vanishing Point" Remastered by Seismic (320kbps / 11.4MB)
http://soundcloud.com/fragilegods/vanishingpoint
This is Layzer's version:
Fragile Gods "Vanishing Point" - Remastered by Layzer v2 (160kbps / 5.7MB)
http://soundcloud.com/fragilegods/vanis ... t2/s-jFwTr
Any feedback is appreciated.
Synths: Korg PolySix, Tone2 Rayblaster, Audjoo Helix, Tattoo
Last edited by Frantz on Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:48 am, edited 11 times in total.
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- KVRist
- 331 posts since 4 Feb, 2012
Hey Frantz
Really enjoyed this (on my 3rd listen), really polished mix, everything in it's place!
Synths sound simple, but in a good way... less is more. Sounds come in at the right time to make the track more interesting.
Oh yes... and it's a real song
Great job man!
PS: Yesterday I thought of what your sound reminded me of.. Gary Numan. Is his work an influence for you?
Really enjoyed this (on my 3rd listen), really polished mix, everything in it's place!
Synths sound simple, but in a good way... less is more. Sounds come in at the right time to make the track more interesting.
Oh yes... and it's a real song
Great job man!
PS: Yesterday I thought of what your sound reminded me of.. Gary Numan. Is his work an influence for you?
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- KVRAF
- 8072 posts since 12 Dec, 2003 from Canada
Very nice track Frantz! I'm not completely down with the vocal, especially when it's dry and less effected. I like the distorted vocal better, and if you were to weird it up even more I wouldn't mind. I'd also consider using the vocal only in the last part of the song. That's my take, loved the music and arrangement. I get kind of a NIN - Ultravox hybrid vibe.
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 6325 posts since 18 Jul, 2008 from New York
Thanks for the feedback. I think having lyrics makes things more interesting but vocals can be problematic for me because I'm not a singer. There are many bands that I like that have vocalists that are not singers: Cabaret Voltaire, Suicide, DAF, Can, etc. In fact, I actually prefer vocalists like those over normal singers but I have very weird taste in music.polyslax wrote:I'm not completely down with the vocal, especially when it's dry and less effected. I like the distorted vocal better, and if you were to weird it up even more I wouldn't mind.
I'm curious to hear if others have an opinion on this. Do the vocals on this track work? I'm open to criticism.
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 6325 posts since 18 Jul, 2008 from New York
Thanks Mario for the listens and the feedback. Yes, I like to keep things very minimal. I like giving each sound space to breathe.Mariosprt wrote: Really enjoyed this (on my 3rd listen), really polished mix, everything in it's place!
Synths sound simple, but in a good way... less is more. Sounds come in at the right time to make the track more interesting.
I don't think Gary Numan has had much influence on me but both Gary and I were influenced by John Foxx. John Foxx has written a lot strange, experimental lyrics that I like. You might want to check out Foxx's "Metamatic" which is sort of Numan-ish.Mariosprt wrote: PS: Yesterday I thought of what your sound reminded me of.. Gary Numan. Is his work an influence for you?
- KVRAF
- 7691 posts since 11 Jun, 2006
nice one frantz, really enjoyed the retro 80's synthpop vibe here
mixwise, on my end it came across somewhat bassy... perhaps it
lacked more percussive HF as the the hats seemed a bit low in volume.
one high hat was particularily low.
i agree with poly, vocals can use some deessing and eq, and maybe
alittle echo. hope im not sounding harsh here, just returning the
helpful feedback cheers
mixwise, on my end it came across somewhat bassy... perhaps it
lacked more percussive HF as the the hats seemed a bit low in volume.
one high hat was particularily low.
i agree with poly, vocals can use some deessing and eq, and maybe
alittle echo. hope im not sounding harsh here, just returning the
helpful feedback cheers
HW SYNTHS [KORG T2EX - AKAI AX80 - YAMAHA SY77 - ENSONIQ VFX]
HW MODULES [OBi M1000 - ROLAND MKS-50 - ROLAND JV880 - KURZ 1000PX]
SW [CHARLATAN - OBXD - OXE - ELEKTRO - MICROTERA - M1 - SURGE - RMiV]
DAW [ENERGY XT2/1U RACK WINXP / MAUDIO 1010LT PCI]
HW MODULES [OBi M1000 - ROLAND MKS-50 - ROLAND JV880 - KURZ 1000PX]
SW [CHARLATAN - OBXD - OXE - ELEKTRO - MICROTERA - M1 - SURGE - RMiV]
DAW [ENERGY XT2/1U RACK WINXP / MAUDIO 1010LT PCI]
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 6325 posts since 18 Jul, 2008 from New York
Yes, I like my music bass heavy. Perhaps I did turn down the hi hats too much. I tend to do that because I find hi hats uninteresting. Something to think about next time.layzer wrote: mixwise, on my end it came across somewhat bassy... perhaps it
lacked more percussive HF as the the hats seemed a bit low in volume.
This is very reasonable feedback. So far it seems like the vocals don't work for most people. Don't worry, I'm not easily offended.layzer wrote: i agree with poly, vocals can use some deessing and eq, and maybe
alittle echo. hope im not sounding harsh here, just returning the
helpful feedback cheers
Yes, the sibilance is still a problem. I need to develop some mic technique to avoid it. There is only so much that can be fixed in the mix.
Thanks for the feedback.
- KVRAF
- 7691 posts since 11 Jun, 2006
oh ok, ymmv... at first i thought maybe it was my monitoring setupFrantzM wrote: Yes, I like my music bass heavy.
but listenig to siesmic's latest tune, it has a uniform full audio
spectrum sound. with clean lows and crisp highs. maybe his setup is off too.
HW SYNTHS [KORG T2EX - AKAI AX80 - YAMAHA SY77 - ENSONIQ VFX]
HW MODULES [OBi M1000 - ROLAND MKS-50 - ROLAND JV880 - KURZ 1000PX]
SW [CHARLATAN - OBXD - OXE - ELEKTRO - MICROTERA - M1 - SURGE - RMiV]
DAW [ENERGY XT2/1U RACK WINXP / MAUDIO 1010LT PCI]
HW MODULES [OBi M1000 - ROLAND MKS-50 - ROLAND JV880 - KURZ 1000PX]
SW [CHARLATAN - OBXD - OXE - ELEKTRO - MICROTERA - M1 - SURGE - RMiV]
DAW [ENERGY XT2/1U RACK WINXP / MAUDIO 1010LT PCI]
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 6325 posts since 18 Jul, 2008 from New York
I wasn't implying that anyone's monitoring is off. I was agreeing with you that my track is bassy and there were not a lot of high frequencies. It's something for me to consider next time.layzer wrote:maybe his setup is off too.
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- KVRist
- 331 posts since 4 Feb, 2012
Damn, when I start enjoying a track it becomes harder to be critical
On a second (or ninth) listen, the vocal has a rammstein feel to it, sorry about the references, but it's best way to illustrate
Personally the vocal definitely works, although in the dry parts, some noise and sibilance is present, maybe a gate would help, or lowering the fader a bit? I don't know.
But the distorted parts have a more distinct vibe, very cool indeed.
In the choruses, where there are clearly 2 vocal tracks, this could be enhanced by distorting one of them more, or harder panning.
Hope it helps.
On a second (or ninth) listen, the vocal has a rammstein feel to it, sorry about the references, but it's best way to illustrate
Personally the vocal definitely works, although in the dry parts, some noise and sibilance is present, maybe a gate would help, or lowering the fader a bit? I don't know.
But the distorted parts have a more distinct vibe, very cool indeed.
In the choruses, where there are clearly 2 vocal tracks, this could be enhanced by distorting one of them more, or harder panning.
Hope it helps.
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 6325 posts since 18 Jul, 2008 from New York
Thanks very much for all the feedback. I'm glad the vocal works for you. However, I am planning on attempting another mix incorporating the feedback I received so far:Mariosprt wrote: Personally the vocal definitely works, although in the dry parts, some noise and sibilance is present, maybe a gate would help, or lowering the fader a bit? I don't know.
But the distorted parts have a more distinct vibe, very cool indeed.
1. Vox - lots of distortion plus more echo/reverb (polyslax + layzer)
2. Increasing the volume of hi hats and snare (layzer)
3. Shortening the intro (offline feedback)
It probably won't be ready until the weekend.
Here's Gary Numan talking about John Foxx. He's mostly discussing the period when John was the singer for Ultravox before he went solo and Midge Ure took over:Mariosprt wrote: I checked out John Foxx, and yes I see the similarities.
Thanks for the heads up Frantz, I'm always interested in these electronic pioneers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D13rf5hQ4KM
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- Banned
- 9890 posts since 14 Nov, 2006
Now is the time on Sprockets when we dance!
Sorry, if you dont get the reference, a fave skit of mine on early 90s SNL
but please understand despite the humor it is meant in a good way as i like this kind of old school-ish electronic, this had some interesting vocal effects and the spoken-type delivery gave the song a cool flow. nice mix too, i was boppin' along in my chair.
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 6325 posts since 18 Jul, 2008 from New York
Thanks! I love the Sprockets. If the song makes you want to do the Sprockets dance, I consider it a success.
Trivia: The Sprockets danced to a sped-up loop of Kraftwerk's "Electric Cafe."
Trivia: The Sprockets danced to a sped-up loop of Kraftwerk's "Electric Cafe."
- KVRian
- 799 posts since 25 Apr, 2011
Definitely feeling the John Foxx influence. Great sounding track! Vocal-wise, I particularly liked the more distorted sections.