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Urs
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Postby Urs; Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:51 pm Re: July Contest: Gossip

Does "overseeing the process with the click of a mouse" rule out a self playing patch on a hardware modular synth?

(asking because this would be right up my alley, hehehe)
DrApostropheX
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Postby DrApostropheX; Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:17 pm Re: July Contest: Gossip

Go for it! Analog cyborgs are welcome! :D
Atardecer
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Postby Atardecer; Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:49 pm Re: July Contest: Gossip

How does playing/triggering notes with the computer keyboard fit in?
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donkey tugger
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Postby donkey tugger; Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:06 pm Re: July Contest: Gossip

Atardecer wrote:How does playing/triggering notes with the computer keyboard fit in?


I would reckon this is out as it's realtime playing still, and the idea is to program everything (by whatever means) and not actually play it. I'll let the Doc decide though!
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el-bo (formerly ebow)
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Postby el-bo (formerly ebow); Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:38 pm Re: July Contest: Gossip

donkey tugger wrote:
Atardecer wrote:How does playing/triggering notes with the computer keyboard fit in?


I would reckon this is out as it's realtime playing still, and the idea is to program everything (by whatever means) and not actually play it. I'll let the Doc decide though!


I almost asked the same question, yesterday, but came to the same conclusion as you.

I wonder if it's cheating to use some kind of instrument to actually help compose the piece.

Also, I used a loop. I didn't use it directly, but processed it, bounced to audio, chopped it up, then entered the notes in by piano roll. I really only mined the loop for the particular hits/sounds. Can I assume that's ok?
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Postby donkey tugger; Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:58 am Re: July Contest: Gossip

el-bo (formerly ebow) wrote:
donkey tugger wrote:
Atardecer wrote:How does playing/triggering notes with the computer keyboard fit in?


I would reckon this is out as it's realtime playing still, and the idea is to program everything (by whatever means) and not actually play it. I'll let the Doc decide though!


I almost asked the same question, yesterday, but came to the same conclusion as you.

I wonder if it's cheating to use some kind of instrument to actually help compose the piece.

Also, I used a loop. I didn't use it directly, but processed it, bounced to audio, chopped it up, then entered the notes in by piano roll. I really only mined the loop for the particular hits/sounds. Can I assume that's ok?


I reckon those are ok - you've still got to program what you've played, so in a way it's no different than humming a melody or something - the challenge is in the programming. Since you're only using the hits from the drumloop, I'd say that they're no different from any other drum samples.
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Postby el-bo (formerly ebow); Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:13 am Re: July Contest: Gossip

donkey tugger wrote:
el-bo (formerly ebow) wrote:
donkey tugger wrote:
Atardecer wrote:How does playing/triggering notes with the computer keyboard fit in?


I would reckon this is out as it's realtime playing still, and the idea is to program everything (by whatever means) and not actually play it. I'll let the Doc decide though!


I almost asked the same question, yesterday, but came to the same conclusion as you.

I wonder if it's cheating to use some kind of instrument to actually help compose the piece.

Also, I used a loop. I didn't use it directly, but processed it, bounced to audio, chopped it up, then entered the notes in by piano roll. I really only mined the loop for the particular hits/sounds. Can I assume that's ok?


I reckon those are ok - you've still got to program what you've played, so in a way it's no different than humming a melody or something - the challenge is in the programming. Since you're only using the hits from the drumloop, I'd say that they're no different from any other drum samples.


Thanks for weighing in. I tend to agree, but I still wanted to check :tu:
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Postby rollasoc; Thu Jul 06, 2017 1:01 am Re: July Contest: Gossip

On the last Hair Thieves EP, we had a instrumental track called Ludworth.

That was written without playing (realistically) a note. I think we might have used a controller to turn beatstation on / off / switch groove.

It was our intention to see if we could create a song without playing any instruments.

Drums and bass were a groove from Toontrack's beatstation.
funk guitars were either NI Scarbee funk or midi files from the Cubase media bay.
Pretty much everything else was things in the same key from Cubase media bay.

It was an interesting exercise, in seeing if we could create a song without playing a single note..
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el-bo (formerly ebow)
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Postby el-bo (formerly ebow); Thu Jul 06, 2017 7:40 am Re: July Contest: Gossip

donkey tugger wrote:
el-bo (formerly ebow) wrote:
donkey tugger wrote:
Atardecer wrote:How does playing/triggering notes with the computer keyboard fit in?


I would reckon this is out as it's realtime playing still, and the idea is to program everything (by whatever means) and not actually play it. I'll let the Doc decide though!


I almost asked the same question, yesterday, but came to the same conclusion as you.

I wonder if it's cheating to use some kind of instrument to actually help compose the piece.

Also, I used a loop. I didn't use it directly, but processed it, bounced to audio, chopped it up, then entered the notes in by piano roll. I really only mined the loop for the particular hits/sounds. Can I assume that's ok?


I reckon those are ok - you've still got to program what you've played, so in a way it's no different than humming a melody or something - the challenge is in the programming. Since you're only using the hits from the drumloop, I'd say that they're no different from any other drum samples.


The loop didn't fit, so I've started from scratch. So, no issue :wink:
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Mister Natural
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Postby Mister Natural; Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:48 am Re: July Contest: Gossip

In

this was a fun challenge !
. . . now that I've finished, excuse me - I've gotta go WAIL on my Stratocaster . . .
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Postby SparkySpark; Wed Jul 12, 2017 3:13 pm Re: July Contest: Gossip

Sorry for a stupid question perhaps, but in the rules, "singers" are mentioned.

So is it okay to submit a programmed 80's style pop song (with singing, that is) or is this only an instrumental challenge?
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DrApostropheX
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Postby DrApostropheX; Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:17 pm Re: July Contest: Gossip

Sorry for the late reply! Slicing up a pre-made drum loop to mine the hits and then programming them would be okay. Playing a melody with your computer keyboard in real time is not however as it's basically just using your keyboard as a MIDI controller keyboard at that point.
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Postby Mister Natural; Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:29 am Re: July Contest: Gossip

SparkySpark wrote:...So is it okay to submit a programmed 80's style pop song (with singing, that is) or is this only an instrumental challenge?

I wondered about that also - is the human voice a "controller" ?
I can see both sides of that
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el-bo (formerly ebow)
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Postby el-bo (formerly ebow); Thu Jul 13, 2017 6:16 am Re: July Contest: Gossip

DrApostropheX wrote:Sorry for the late reply! Slicing up a pre-made drum loop to mine the hits and then programming them would be okay. Playing a melody with your computer keyboard in real time is not however as it's basically just using your keyboard as a MIDI controller keyboard at that point.


Thanks for the clarification :tu:
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Postby SparkySpark; Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:15 am Re: July Contest: Gossip

Mister Natural wrote:
SparkySpark wrote:...So is it okay to submit a programmed 80's style pop song (with singing, that is) or is this only an instrumental challenge?

I wondered about that also - is the human voice a "controller" ?
I can see both sides of that

Okay, perhaps not so stupid then. :)

A song in the style of Erasure, Kraftwerk, Front, or early DM, that is, with everything programmed except for the vocals, would that be okay?

(If not, then it could perhaps be next month's contest.)
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