Saligia - Greed

[experimental.crow]

i would like the chance to put this track in perspective ...

it's part of a project ...
for all i know , this track is the pivot point upon which the project lays in balance ...

or it may not ...
difficult to judge , at this point ...

on it's own , it will survive multiple listens ( and has ) ...

[Sicklecell666]

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[respirator]

Hey all

Thanks alot for listening and engaging in this discussion. One of the most interesting in a long time concerning something I was involved in.

Shamann - it takes more (a lot more) to scare me away or insult me. I've simply been at work etc. (I sometimes have a life besides KvR - shocking as it may seem ).

The discussion raised is very interesting. Regarding the nature of Saligia I think that Donovan knew what he did when he selected the musicians. I was selected among other things on the merits of Heather Town Road - not much grit or dirt or noise there. I think. Jacks scene is different again, but I'll leave him fend for himself when and if he wants to.

I agree that the coins was a bit contrieved. They started out as an inspiration to get us going but ended up in the finished track. I think they works. Greed is also about not knowing when a good thing is too much...

The guitar I'm not so sure about.

The synths and drums are a good representation of the difference in style between the two collaborators.

And Dystonia: Thank very much for your kind words about my music! I'm too old to blush - but almost.

But keep it going - there is a lot to be said on this subject. I'll chime in with more later - after Denmark beats England in this evenings soccer game...

[experimental.crow]

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loquacious ...

[Genetic_Junk]

I'm trying to imagine the sound of a guitar mocking commercialism/greed. I think the contrasting noise bursts after the guitar/rhythm part aid in this realization, but a more defined path maybe possible. Though creating a clear way to show irony without words is not as easy task, at least it wouldn't be for me.

Still this is a very provoking song, as I do enjoy noise evolution, and its interesting how well the noise flows into the more melodic parts.

I'll have to listen to this louder at home.

Thanks for this.

[respirator]

Btw: Way are people deleting their posts? TechNoiZ, Sickle?

[shamann]

it takes more (a lot more) to scare me away or insult me.

I pretty well knew that, I was deferring to controversy with a slight bit more controversial behaviour. Shameful of me, I know. My comments don't all apply to just the Greed track, though, but rather I was also riffing on some of the ideas brought up by Kelly.

I sometimes have a life besides KvR - shocking as it may seem

That is too shocking, I don't want to think about it.

I agree with your assessment that noise isn't required. I like Heather Town Road, and it isn't noisy/dirty, but I also don't think it is easy, which is part of what I like about it. I don't think I had heard it before. Prior to the Monochrome series, I only vaguely remember hearing one track about a dog.

I wonder if I went too noisy with my contributions to the project? I had started out with nuanced, but then found that visceral sat better with my interpretation of the project, and my familiarity with some of the contributions. Sure there's always differences to be found in artistic license, but tracks still have to form a cohesive whole in such projects (or do they?). I wouldn't want to detract from the subtleties of less heavy tracks by being overbearing.

What say others? Are compilations inherently aiming to be a unified position statement (as best they can be), or are they better as a thematically-linked, stylistic free-for-all?

[dystonia_ek]

Depends on whether the compilations are conceptual or not. I think for this one (and I'm sure Don would agree) the sum of the whole needs to be greater than its constituent parts. This has more to do with concept than sound, but, seeing as there's a fixed track order , the way the pieces flow together when the final product is listened to as a whole depends on a certain thread of continuity.
If you're just talking 'label sampler' or something like that then it doesn't really matter.

[pHz]

I wonder if I went too noisy with my contributions to the project?

i DOUBT it ...

(although ive deliberately not listened to ANY of the contributions so far)

slainte rob

[shamann]

If you're just talking 'label sampler' or something like that then it doesn't really matter.

No, your first idea was what I had in mind.

I just listened to this track again. I do like it, and actually don't think it's as incongruous as the ensuing discussion might have made it seem. What would happen though if you took the guitar and coins out entirely, but left everything else as is? It would definitely change the impression it leaves with the listener overall.

[respirator]

Shamann: I think that's impossible. I tend to bounce audiotracks early on - and Jack has been doing the same (that has been our way of working - exchanging aped wavs). A lot of stuff would go out with the coins and the guitar.

Regarding the overall compilation. Hm. I always thought this was about bringing together a bunch of underappreciated, vice-ridden and twisted-minded musicians and get a versatile musical commentary on the darker sides of things. And while our track lends elements from "soulless commercialism", I don't think the track is that far from the other tracks I've heard so far. I'll let Donovan decide though.

[mystahr]

And you know; I think it's a great track that well fits the theme and I could easily see some video done on this that would even only magnify it more.

Perhaps try some dynamic down-eq'ng on the coins only when they sound Perhaps the most hearable frequencies can be tamed that way making even perhaps for some airier coin-sounds?

[pannewb]

one of the most interesting threads ive seen in a while.

nice tune respirator, too bad about the way you are exchanging songs.

Bravo for inspiring such talk with music.

[herodotus]

I won't get into this discussion, as I don't feel qualified.

I just want to note that this is a damn fine piece of music.

And to ask shamann if this term: 'noise fascist', is already in a band name. Because if not, I will use it. That has to be the best phrase I have seen coined in months.

[shamann]

And to ask shamann if this term: 'noise fascist', is already in a band name.

Google says no, so you might be in luck.

Because if not, I will use it. That has to be the best phrase I have seen coined in months.

I don't know, I was fond of "ill-considered shitfest" from a few days ago.