KVR Audio

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:34 pm

Second hand NI AK1 maybe? Seen them go for $100 ...

stanlea · Post by **stanlea** » Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:04 pm

How many audio i/o do you need ? Do you need preamps ?

AstralExistence · Post by **AstralExistence** » Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:09 pm

stanlea wrote:How many audio i/o do you need ? Do you need preamps ?

no preamp. all in the box.

stanlea · Post by **stanlea** » Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:14 pm

AstralExistence wrote:
stanlea wrote:How many audio i/o do you need ? Do you need preamps ?
no preamp. all in the box.

So why don't you keep the old interface ?

AstralExistence · Post by **AstralExistence** » Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:18 pm

stanlea wrote:
AstralExistence wrote:
stanlea wrote:How many audio i/o do you need ? Do you need preamps ?
no preamp. all in the box.
So why don't you keep the old interface ?

the old, 'interface' was an m-audio delta 2496 which still works flawlessly but will not fit into my pci-e slot.

stanlea · Post by **stanlea** » Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:33 pm

In my view, an internal card is still the best in terms of stability. Watch the ESI Julia or Maya PCIe, good value for money.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Sun Apr 13, 2014 5:33 am

I'm not following this at all for a variety of reasons but these seem to be pretty popular:

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Scarlett2i2
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Scarlett2i4/
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Scarlett6i6/

There are a few differences other than the ins/outs but they are considered around the web to be smart buys for the money.

I have this:

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SaffPro14/

But it's FW and unless you get a TI FW card it's not a good idea. The point is that though mine is a relatively inexpensive unit, it gives fairly hi fidelity results. I didn't see anyone recommend all of these yet.

Proxima4 · Post by **Proxima4** » Mon Apr 14, 2014 7:49 am

Choose whatever fit's with your decor.

However, regarding PCI and PCIe, research fully that how your motherboards architecture is using busses to support it's slots, I wasted some time on this, and eventually went for a Focusrite outboard interface, which I now realize is better anyway.

On PCI and PCIe

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep05/a ... cnotes.htm

james0tucson · Post by **james0tucson** » Mon Apr 14, 2014 8:06 am

AstralExistence wrote:http://www.asus.com/Desktops/M51AC/specifications/

heres my pc. im behind in the latest audio technology.

Have you actually tried, say, ASIO4ALL on that ASUS chipset audio? I'm willing to bet it's a Realtek ALC892. Some will say "that's garbage" but you can get 64 sample latencies and it is after all a 192kHz chip.

It will have a bit of noise, but it will also have fidelity far beyond the threshold of human perception.

james0tucson · Post by **james0tucson** » Mon Apr 14, 2014 8:11 am

AstralExistence wrote:
stanlea wrote:
AstralExistence wrote:
stanlea wrote:How many audio i/o do you need ? Do you need preamps ?
no preamp. all in the box.
So why don't you keep the old interface ?
the old, 'interface' was an m-audio delta 2496 which still works flawlessly but will not fit into my pci-e slot.

To me this is a sad ending of an era. It's really hard to beat an ICE17xx card, and the Delta cards are really great. I'm waiting to upgrade my computer until I can afford a Focusrite 18i20. I don't care that much about the computer -- it's little more than a host for the audio device really. I recognize that trying to require a legacy PCI slot puts me in a bracket for a much more expensive computer for no good reason, and keeps me on older bus designs anyway.

I can very easily acquire used gear for the sole purpose of maintaining a home for my Delta cards. (I'm the guy who still has working TRS-80, Apple II, and Commodore systems, so this isn't tough for me.)

james0tucson · Post by **james0tucson** » Mon Apr 14, 2014 8:13 am

hibidy wrote:
But it's FW and unless you get a TI FW card it's not a good idea. The point is that though mine is a relatively inexpensive unit, it gives fairly hi fidelity results. I didn't see anyone recommend all of these yet.

By "fairly hi-fidelity results" you mean "far beyond the threshold of human perception", right? Also known as "completely hi-fidelity results?"

Because if you're saying anything else by "fairly" you're identifying a real problem....

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Mon Apr 14, 2014 6:17 pm

james0tucson wrote:
AstralExistence wrote:http://www.asus.com/Desktops/M51AC/specifications/

heres my pc. im behind in the latest audio technology.

Have you actually tried, say, ASIO4ALL on that ASUS chipset audio? I'm willing to bet it's a Realtek ALC892. Some will say "that's garbage" but you can get 64 sample latencies and it is after all a 192kHz chip.

It would do this at the expense of precious CPU cycles (which should be saved for processing the VIs, since the OP explicitly said he wants to work "within the box"). Besides, from my own experience, ASIO4ALL is crap.

james0tucson wrote: It will have a bit of noise, but it will also have fidelity far beyond the threshold of human perception.

Most probably, you'll end with lots of noise interferences from the internal components. And these are way below the threshold of human perception. So, the end result would be "extreme low fidelity".

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Mon Apr 14, 2014 8:24 pm

james0tucson wrote:
hibidy wrote:
But it's FW and unless you get a TI FW card it's not a good idea. The point is that though mine is a relatively inexpensive unit, it gives fairly hi fidelity results. I didn't see anyone recommend all of these yet.
By "fairly hi-fidelity results" you mean "far beyond the threshold of human perception", right? Also known as "completely hi-fidelity results?"

Because if you're saying anything else by "fairly" you're identifying a real problem....

I'm reading this as a troll to start one of those silly arguments, or did you actually have a point to make and I misunderstood?

AstralExistence · Post by **AstralExistence** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:48 pm

well this is not a weird statement. i myself wonder about about all this high fidelity bullshit said to be offered in the more expensive audio interfaces. its an interface, its hardware, its processes sound. that's really it.

i don't believe the hype. and i honestly cant even see how the hype can be explained with sound reasoning. to me, this high fidelity is the same non existent high fidelity that audiophiles pay so much to have. if such high fidelity was really so prominent and obvious then why do most people not hear it.

audiophiles explain this away by basically saying there ears are much better, honed and crafted by years of audiophile listening so they can pick pick out the slightest sound nuance with there stupid grados. the truth, its pure bullshit. honestly. it really is and you sorta feel sorry for them spending there nest egg on very expensive audio cables/speakers and equipment until you realize the ludicrosity of it all, and then its just sad.

i admit im not an expert and know rather little about how usb interfaces process sound so there actually may be something to this high fidelity that im not understanding.

what kind of sound interface/card do i need?