Trolling customers
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Sampleconstruct Sampleconstruct https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=191286
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 16153 posts since 12 Oct, 2008 from Here and there
I had a strange encounter with a very aggressive customer form US this morning, it happens rarely but when it happens I'm just baffled. This guy ordered my Absynth Bank Vol. 2 shortly after 6 am in the morning, I was already in the studio making some Iris patches and saw his order shortly before 7. Meanwhile he had sent me a mail:
Come on man where is the download link, you get the money and I have to wait for you to wake up to send me the file. This isn't cutting it, particularly since I've purchased sounds from other European suppliers and they have a download area that your taken to, only you and one other guy pull this routine. Change your policy otherwise this will be my last purchase.
I answered:
Wow, what a kind message.
I process all orders manually, the link was just sent to you.
Have a nice day.
Simon
He had already received the order confirmation with the link and sent this:
You got some kind of deal going with Razilla a cut maybe. Well partner watch how fast I uninstall this bullshit application after it supposedly does what you say it will do. You want to know why people don't like this crap you can download a virus or another problem unintended consequences heard of those. You can f**k with me because your thousands of miles away you won't do it to my face though. I hate someone giving me the runaround.
I answered:
Why are you so aggressive? What happened…
S.
I got sort of upset and then deleted the link I had sent him and reimbursed him via paypal - then I wrote this:
I will now reimburse you, the link has been deleted, I don't need this shit.
Best
Simon
WTF?
Come on man where is the download link, you get the money and I have to wait for you to wake up to send me the file. This isn't cutting it, particularly since I've purchased sounds from other European suppliers and they have a download area that your taken to, only you and one other guy pull this routine. Change your policy otherwise this will be my last purchase.
I answered:
Wow, what a kind message.
I process all orders manually, the link was just sent to you.
Have a nice day.
Simon
He had already received the order confirmation with the link and sent this:
You got some kind of deal going with Razilla a cut maybe. Well partner watch how fast I uninstall this bullshit application after it supposedly does what you say it will do. You want to know why people don't like this crap you can download a virus or another problem unintended consequences heard of those. You can f**k with me because your thousands of miles away you won't do it to my face though. I hate someone giving me the runaround.
I answered:
Why are you so aggressive? What happened…
S.
I got sort of upset and then deleted the link I had sent him and reimbursed him via paypal - then I wrote this:
I will now reimburse you, the link has been deleted, I don't need this shit.
Best
Simon
WTF?
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Sampleconstruct Sampleconstruct https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=191286
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 16153 posts since 12 Oct, 2008 from Here and there
Maybe spend less time following me around on this Forum and spend more time taking care of your own business.michi_mak wrote:maybe spend less time bumping double threads over here
and spend more time improving customer's experience on your website
- KVRAF
- 3879 posts since 28 Jun, 2009 from Wherever I lay my hat
Speaking as a customer, I do expect to get download links as soon as I've completed the money transfer. I notice that every time a developer does things manually - and curse my impatience while I'm at it (sign o' the times, apparently).
But all of that doesn't warrant a reaction like the one you got. I once worked in a bicycle shop for half a year, and one out of 100 customers was usually some sort of psycho in one way or another. These people have issues that you probably wouldn't even think of. It happens, best to stay professional, duck or run away if needed, and move on.
But all of that doesn't warrant a reaction like the one you got. I once worked in a bicycle shop for half a year, and one out of 100 customers was usually some sort of psycho in one way or another. These people have issues that you probably wouldn't even think of. It happens, best to stay professional, duck or run away if needed, and move on.
- KVRAF
- 5948 posts since 19 Jun, 2008 from Melbourne, Australia
Yep, 1 in X customers is going to be a psycho. For bett... well for worse, nothing good can come of it.
The number of psychos seems to increase at a fairly constant rate with the number of users, so look at it on the bright side: more psychos must mean business is good
Peace,
Andy.
The number of psychos seems to increase at a fairly constant rate with the number of users, so look at it on the bright side: more psychos must mean business is good
Peace,
Andy.
... space is the place ...
- KVRAF
- 5948 posts since 19 Jun, 2008 from Melbourne, Australia
FWIW I don't mind customers being annoyed - we all have a bad day sometimes, but I generally draw the line at swearing or excessive anger - particularly if I'm helping out on the weekend. No one needs that.
Peace,
Andy.
Peace,
Andy.
... space is the place ...
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Sampleconstruct Sampleconstruct https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=191286
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 16153 posts since 12 Oct, 2008 from Here and there
Thank's for chiming in, it's announced all over my website that the order process is performed manually, so when people order during the european night they will have to wait, if they don't want to wait they should purchase either during european day time or not purchase at all.ariston wrote:Speaking as a customer, I do expect to get download links as soon as I've completed the money transfer. I notice that every time a developer does things manually - and curse my impatience while I'm at it (sign o' the times, apparently).
But all of that doesn't warrant a reaction like the one you got. I once worked in a bicycle shop for half a year, and one out of 100 customers was usually some sort of psycho in one way or another. These people have issues that you probably wouldn't even think of. It happens, best to stay professional, duck or run away if needed, and move on.
As I hardly sleep they get their links within several hours anyway
I can take a severe amount of trollism, but at a certain treshold I don't accept it anymore and don't want to supply people like that with my sounds.
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- Banned
- 2033 posts since 19 Jun, 2011 from a world of Black Thunder chocs
TBH Simon, the guy just sounds like a wanker.
Next time it happens though, I wouldn't bother re-imbursing idiots like him. After all, nobody forced him to buy your software (and effectively he has it for free now) nor is it at all unreasonable to wait up to 24 hours etc for software links to be sent.
To start giving people such grief after 55 minutes is pathetic.
Next time it happens though, I wouldn't bother re-imbursing idiots like him. After all, nobody forced him to buy your software (and effectively he has it for free now) nor is it at all unreasonable to wait up to 24 hours etc for software links to be sent.
To start giving people such grief after 55 minutes is pathetic.
- Beware the Quoth
- 33175 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
Sounds like a few folk round here.
my other modular synth is a bugbrand
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- KVRAF
- 8494 posts since 5 Aug, 2009
people are f**ked over minor things nowadays too fast and too often, they should be lucky to have a home, food and so on. you did the right thing refunding him, cause you dont need such unrespectul money man. sometimes i cannot wait to get my links but thats some happy feeling like xmas but i havent had an aggressive feeling when things dont get automatically processed.
it's sad but dont bother yourself with that instead concentrate on things which make you happy like music .
it's sad but dont bother yourself with that instead concentrate on things which make you happy like music .
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Richard_Synapse Richard_Synapse https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=245936
- KVRian
- 1136 posts since 20 Dec, 2010
It's tough, but the only solution is for us to change, we can't expect the customers to change. Probably the best way to handle it though is to let a person answer who is not directly involved in making the products. If someone says your products are crap, this hurts and will lead to emotional responses - which only make things worse.
Richard
Richard
Synapse Audio Software - www.synapse-audio.com
- KVRAF
- 8182 posts since 22 Sep, 2008 from Windsor. UK
ZenPunkHippy wrote:Yep, 1 in X customers is going to be a psycho. For bett... well for worse, nothing good can come of it.
The number of psychos seems to increase at a fairly constant rate with the number of users, so look at it on the bright side: more psychos must mean business is good
Peace,
Andy.
No wonder you call yourself a hippie.
Finding a bright side to having to deal with twats
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- KVRian
- 1195 posts since 25 Sep, 2002
Put a smile back on your face and keep doin what your doin Simon
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- KVRer
- 9 posts since 10 Oct, 2011
It's disheartening for sure and can rattle you because it seems to come out of nowhere. But, Simon, you have strong support and appreciation here. The age of the Internet has given power to the cowards who hide behind their keyboards and blast away. You can try to smooth things with them once or twice and then it's time to move on. There are more important things to get done.
All the best
Avi
All the best
Avi
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Sampleconstruct Sampleconstruct https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=191286
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 16153 posts since 12 Oct, 2008 from Here and there
LOL - yeah business ain't bad, I can't complain at allZenPunkHippy wrote:Yep, 1 in X customers is going to be a psycho. For bett... well for worse, nothing good can come of it.
The number of psychos seems to increase at a fairly constant rate with the number of users, so look at it on the bright side: more psychos must mean business is good
Peace,
Andy.