I expect they'll fix bugs where they can reproduce them.bidule wrote:So, basically we pay for yearly updates to own a buggy DAW?
Why is the forum here so quiet???
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- KVRAF
- 2348 posts since 9 Oct, 2008 from UK
[W10-64, T5/6/7/W8/9/10/11/12/13, 32(to W8)&64 all, Spike],[W7-32, T5/6/7/W8, Gina16] everything underused.
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- KVRist
- 121 posts since 31 Aug, 2015
what are you seeing that is causing you to throw your mouse against the wall?So, basically we pay for yearly updates to own a buggy DAW?
I've seen little things that make me stop and have to figure out -not any less than bitwig, Ableton, or Cubase.
Personally I see every DAW as buggy. Software always patching...
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- KVRer
- 24 posts since 30 Aug, 2017
You are right, but if you look carefully, for example Ableton, they don't release a paid update to a major version every year. Thet stick with the 8.x, 9.x for many years before asking for an upgrade price. Ableton 9 was released on 2013, and all updates are free.geqfreq wrote:what are you seeing that is causing you to throw your mouse against the wall?So, basically we pay for yearly updates to own a buggy DAW?
I've seen little things that make me stop and have to figure out -not any less than bitwig, Ableton, or Cubase.
Personally I see every DAW as buggy. Software always patching...
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- KVRAF
- 2348 posts since 9 Oct, 2008 from UK
Ableton is probably not playing catch up after being left for dead for several years. Ableton probably has more staff. Ableton probably charged more than $30 for its upgrades for several years.
Upgrades are optional. Feel free to wait for the one after next.
Upgrades are optional. Feel free to wait for the one after next.
[W10-64, T5/6/7/W8/9/10/11/12/13, 32(to W8)&64 all, Spike],[W7-32, T5/6/7/W8, Gina16] everything underused.
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- KVRAF
- 1777 posts since 30 Dec, 2012
I'm going to post a bigger update in a min but just a word on Ableton pricing, Live 9 is €349, Waveform is ~€85. I'm not sure how much upgrades are for Live but for us they're ~€40.
Remember that we only increased our prices this year so if you purchased T4 in 2013 and upgraded every year you would have paid:
$60 + $30 + $30 + $30 + $50 = $200/€170.
(That's without mentioning we run frequent sales/upgrade prices and offer a completely free version of the DAW
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Comparing us with Ableton isn't really a like-for-like but I also don't think we're as expensive as is being made out...
Remember that we only increased our prices this year so if you purchased T4 in 2013 and upgraded every year you would have paid:
$60 + $30 + $30 + $30 + $50 = $200/€170.
(That's without mentioning we run frequent sales/upgrade prices and offer a completely free version of the DAW
)Comparing us with Ableton isn't really a like-for-like but I also don't think we're as expensive as is being made out...
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- KVRAF
- 1777 posts since 30 Dec, 2012
Thanks. What I was trying to get at with my pricing analysis is that doing yearly paid upgrades enables us to keep the price low which will help attract new users and people using it as a second DAW etc.
If we released a new paid version every four years but charged $200 for it, it's still $200 a new user has to pay which can be prohibiting.
I do understand people's reservations over the yearly paid-upgrade cycle but if you can try and think of it as the price over five years I think it makes sense
If we released a new paid version every four years but charged $200 for it, it's still $200 a new user has to pay which can be prohibiting.
I do understand people's reservations over the yearly paid-upgrade cycle but if you can try and think of it as the price over five years I think it makes sense
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- KVRAF
- 1777 posts since 30 Dec, 2012
Updates to T7 were $30, from Waveform 8 onwards they're $50 but we offer discounted updates fairly regularly.ErBen wrote:Actually I had no idea that the updates where only $30. If that's so, I'm OK with it.
