Announcing Waveform 9 Public Beta
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- KVRist
- 473 posts since 1 Feb, 2006
the new options in the chord editor are very welcome!
while testing these, i found a graphical bug in the chord track:
when the chord-clip is less than a bar long (half a bar in my case), the arrows on the right side of the clip are not available anymore, they get "cut out" when the clip is shortened. to access their functionality (which is not available anywhere else on the properties panel, why not?), i have to make it one bar long, edit what i want and then shorten it again.
while testing these, i found a graphical bug in the chord track:
when the chord-clip is less than a bar long (half a bar in my case), the arrows on the right side of the clip are not available anymore, they get "cut out" when the clip is shortened. to access their functionality (which is not available anywhere else on the properties panel, why not?), i have to make it one bar long, edit what i want and then shorten it again.
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- KVRian
- 1063 posts since 3 May, 2005 from Victoria, BC
Good point, I'll add this to the 'todo' list. It's unlikely this will be fixed for launch, but I'll try and get to it in an early patch.klangbastler wrote:which is not available anywhere else on the properties panel, why not?
- KVRAF
- 35249 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
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- KVRian
- 617 posts since 12 Mar, 2013 from Russia, Vladivostok
This is same openSUSE TW, where I get same high CPU load. So, maybe some calls (or whatever) loads host and guest due paravirtualisation.dRowAudio wrote:This could well be something to do with VirtualBox.
What's the performance like on the system which VirtualBox is running on?
Probably I'll test it in VB on windows host.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1777 posts since 30 Dec, 2012
What I mean is that adding the VirtualBox VM layer could be causing the slowdown. I wouldn't really recommend using a DAW for any serious use in a VM.
I don't know how VirtualBox performs these days but a few years ago when I was testing it out for development, it was far slower than using Parallels so I've used that ever since.
There will always be a performance hit from using a VM. Unless this is also happening on the host machine, this isn't really a supported workflow.
I don't know how VirtualBox performs these days but a few years ago when I was testing it out for development, it was far slower than using Parallels so I've used that ever since.
There will always be a performance hit from using a VM. Unless this is also happening on the host machine, this isn't really a supported workflow.
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- KVRian
- 617 posts since 12 Mar, 2013 from Russia, Vladivostok
Oh, I see. My first two "tests": http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 2#p7003622 and http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 2#p7004072 were on real PC with different versions openSUSE.
Last two - I checked officially supported Ubuntu 16.04, in VBox, yes. Ok, next turn will be Ubuntu 16.04 on real PC.
Last two - I checked officially supported Ubuntu 16.04, in VBox, yes. Ok, next turn will be Ubuntu 16.04 on real PC.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1777 posts since 30 Dec, 2012
Thanks, Ubuntu 16.04 on a real machine is really the only thing we can actually investigate (that setup has also been reported as fine by several other users on here).
Ironically, on one of the dev forums somone was investigating a performance issue: https://forum.juce.com/t/difference-in- ... 8-10/26421
It turned out copying a file within the VM was around ~180 times slower...
Ironically, on one of the dev forums somone was investigating a performance issue: https://forum.juce.com/t/difference-in- ... 8-10/26421
It turned out copying a file within the VM was around ~180 times slower...
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- KVRAF
- 3735 posts since 17 Sep, 2016
I've messed around with VirtualBox, and agree that it is not well suited for audio performance, while it is great for hosting obsolete operating systems.
A good use case may be if you have some older project files that were created with a DAW app that only runs on an OS that is not currently supported. So you install that old OS as a guest VM, then install the legacy DAW, and open your old project files in order to export the Audio/MIDI files you may be interested in keeping.
But trying to run audio in real-time that way? No way... yet, anyhow...
A good use case may be if you have some older project files that were created with a DAW app that only runs on an OS that is not currently supported. So you install that old OS as a guest VM, then install the legacy DAW, and open your old project files in order to export the Audio/MIDI files you may be interested in keeping.
But trying to run audio in real-time that way? No way... yet, anyhow...
Windows 10 and too many plugins
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- KVRAF
- 2417 posts since 17 Jun, 2003
If you know VBox is not suitable for a DAW, why test a DAW in VBox, then report it doesn't perform well?Kott wrote:I know that VBox is not suitable for DAW. I just trying to narrow issue field, and I haven't Ubuntu installed on real machine right now.
"my gosh it's a friggin hardware"
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- KVRian
- 617 posts since 12 Mar, 2013 from Russia, Vladivostok
Why you asking?chico.co.uk wrote:If you know VBox is not suitable for a DAW, why test a DAW in VBox, then report it doesn't perform well?Kott wrote:I know that VBox is not suitable for DAW. I just trying to narrow issue field, and I haven't Ubuntu installed on real machine right now.
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- KVRAF
- 2417 posts since 17 Jun, 2003
Because it's a waste of time for everybody involved, and I'd prefer the devs to not waste time telling people who claim to know they shouldn't test daws in vm environments, that they shouldn't test daws in vm environments, especially when the tester doesn't explicitly state from the outset that's what they're doing.Kott wrote:Why you asking?chico.co.uk wrote:If you know VBox is not suitable for a DAW, why test a DAW in VBox, then report it doesn't perform well?Kott wrote:I know that VBox is not suitable for DAW. I just trying to narrow issue field, and I haven't Ubuntu installed on real machine right now.
I'd rather effort was spent working on things that weren't a waste of everybody's time.
"my gosh it's a friggin hardware"
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- KVRian
- 617 posts since 12 Mar, 2013 from Russia, Vladivostok
If you read my posts, then you (maybe) see, that I run Waveform9 on real hardware and have real issue.
Your posts doesn't helps resolve that issue, so, please, go.
Your posts doesn't helps resolve that issue, so, please, go.
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- KVRist
- 473 posts since 1 Feb, 2006
WF 9 expired
do you have a release-day already?
do you have a release-day already?