Request for Volume / Expression CC# 11 Control for TVEC 4 (CS2)

[MusicforMovies]

Morning,

It would be great to be able to have separate controls for vibrato and volume instead of just velocity or modwheel; if we could have CC# assignment that would be awesome - i.e. especially CC#11 Expression for Volume (Not the Gen Volume Control which should be CC#7 that it is automatically assigned). TVEC 4 has great flexibility, but this small addition would be most helpful if possible.

Thanks,
Joel

[chibear]

Hi, I'm not associated with KH studios but just a user like you.

For the vibrato control you can either set the 'vibrato' button to either 'Modwheel Vib' or "VibratoLive" which has a "Mod Vib" override to the right. These plus the 3 dials made visible by clicking the 'VibratoLive Settings" Tab can each be automated using Host or MIDI automation.

CC7 is not automatically assigned on my DAW so I set that just below clipping and I use CC11 all the time plus volume automation in my DAW if needed for expression. I use the velocity layers to choose the tone quality rather than depending on them for volume adjustment.

Are you looking to assign CC7 and CC11 to faders on your keyboard?

[MusicforMovies]

Hi Chibear,

Thanks for responding.

The problem -for me - is that you only have a choice of Mod Wheel or Velocity for 'Expression' as far as I can tell on TVEC 4; I'd prefer to separate out the Vibrato and Expression if possible - i.e. CC# 1 - Vib, CC#11 - Expression; For some reason CC#11 was mapped to the main volume control (what I'd normally reserve for CC#7 if any) in TVEC 4 - I simply removed that assignment. I hardly ever mess with CC#7 except to set main volume levels as you said.

On a related note - ha ha - do you use the Easy String Arranger with Concert Strings 2 at all? I seem to be having a bug with trying to set the Human Pitch Velocity - in particular the right hand module with 'Key Sig / Accent / Staccato stays on top all the time - specifically the 'C Major... Key Sig' so that the other modules are underneath.. i.e. I can't change them. 1st and 2nd Violins are fine, but Violas 1&2, and Cellos 1&2, are bugged.. - I've found a work around (same issue) with the full ensemble patch, but no such luck with Violas and Cellos - this is with the ESA .nki... not the pure vanilla Concert Strings 2 .nki.

Quick Note: In regard to assigning faders - I'm good with that: I can either use Midi Learn, or assign via a edit program to the nanoKontrol I use. Thanks for asking though.

Thanks,
Joel

[chibear]

I just tried it and CC#7 and #11 behave normally so you should be able to maintain the CC7-CC11 relationship as in most VSTs. I think the CC11 assignation in Kontakt CC automation is some sort of error or telling ppl that 'Expression' is really expression ^^.

So why can't you assign vibrato to the modwheel and then CC11 to a fader?

I've never looked at ESA. Not interested.

[MusicforMovies]

The Modwheel on Vibrato is fine; the real issue is the 'Expression' or what is labeled as 'Modwheel Volume, or Velocity Volume' - I neither want to use the Modwheel for 'Volume' - really expression (not gen volume) - nor velocity (can't do swells on just velocity), but would rather be able to assign that to CC#11; as it is right now I only have two choice: 1.) CC#1 Modwheel or 2.) Velocity.

To be specific: I click ' Settings | Set velocity volume, and modwheel volume controls | which brings up either Velocity Vol and Modwheel Vol - (Modwheel Vol CC#1 appears to be the only way to control 'expression' for swells)

If there is a way I can assign CC#11, instead of CC#1 to 'Modwheel Vol' please let me know? I'll extremely happy if this is a case of user ignorance

Thanks,
Joel

[chibear]

I know I'm in the minority but I have never used velocity for volume change in any library. I disagree with the concept that there MUST be a color change to accompany a dynamic change, having spent 40+ years of an orchestral career attempting to put any tone color change under my control and not let it be a slave to volume. Therefore what I do is use velocity for color change and then a combination of CC11 and clip volume automation for dynamics.

If there is a way I can assign CC#11, instead of CC#1 to 'Modwheel Vol' please let me know?

It is possible on some keyboards. Check the manual.

Right now I have CC#11 assigned to a knob on my Oxygen 8 but that isn't ideal either. The adjustment is not fine enough and I don't like the twisting motion. I end up having to go into the DAW and manually adjust my CC11 'mistakes' in the piano roll. What I have just ordered is THIS to input CC11 which will give me 6" of travel so fine adjustments should be a lot easier. Hope it works as well as they say.

EDIT: In re-reading your last post for the 3rd time I think I might have misunderstood (again ). DO you want to assign CC11 to the modwheel within the confines of the CS2 UI?? That I doubt can be done unless Kirk would reprogram it. Any time I've tried to go deeper beyond the 'public pages' of the UI in any of Kirk's stuff I get a magnificent lockup and crash.