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PeteSq
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Postby PeteSq; Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:00 pm Bass sound?

Now that we have ie. Bass Director & Amped bass. How do you build your bass sound with Thermionik?
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Postby PeteSq; Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:37 am Re: Bass sound?

Ok, Maybe I should have been more specific... =)
I guess the convention is that a bass is copied as two parallel paths and combined into one bass track. The first is DI and the other "amped" for growl.

Where do you put Kazrog plugins?
A) The Bass director in DI and Amped bass/recabinet in other, or
B) is DI just plain and either Bass director or Amped bass/recabinet in amped track?

Currently I am combining the plain (and low) DI with (well hi-passed) track with Bass director & Recabinet (SVT cabinets). It sound fine but what great options do I miss?
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Postby Zydraka; Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:55 am Re: Bass sound?

Too bad there aren't more tutorials on this type of stuff. I would like to know how to craft a good bass tone as well. I was going to buy the amped bass plugin but I couldn't get it to sound right in the mix with any of the recabinet bass IRs and I tried about every one. I can get the bass director plugin to sound better with minimal effort but I still end up using the free SHB plugin from Ignite Amps most the time because it just seems to sit better in the mix without throwing other plugins and EQ at it. Lately I've been liking the bass tone from the band Tesseract but I don't have the slightest idea how to get there.
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Postby Kazrog; Thu Apr 27, 2017 7:26 am Re: Bass sound?

You have to really look into how bass tones are achieved on the records you like. There are so many approaches, actually, and most of them aren't as simple as amp into cabinet as we do for guitars. I should do a video tutorial at some point...
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Postby Kazrog; Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:49 am Re: Bass sound?

PS - basically, look up Adam "Nolly" Getgood from Periphery, and study his approach. I think he's got some of the best tone for modern metal, or really for any style period.

I do like Amos' playing quite a bit as well, and if you like his more "let the bass be a bass" style of approach, check out this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJEhU-MseG4
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Postby Kazrog; Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:58 am Re: Bass sound?

In a DAW, what this means is you need to duplicate your bass DI track, and high pass filter it going into a distortion. It could be the Bass Director, or anything else really (*cough* Duality 2ch *cough*) - perhaps even without a cabinet sim, but with a post EQ as needed. Blend that with a clean compressed DI.

There are no rules - experiment. Bass can be challenging, but I've always gotten good results myself when I've duplicated the bass track and treated different parts of the frequency spectrum differently.
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Postby Eleventh; Thu May 11, 2017 2:20 am Re: Bass sound?

Kazrog wrote:PS - basically, look up Adam "Nolly" Getgood from Periphery, and study his approach. I think he's got some of the best tone for modern metal, or really for any style period.

f**k yeah :lol: don't much listen to Periphery, but Nolly is a champ!

I wish someone would reverse engineer this :)

https://soundcloud.com/nolly/dingwall-afterburner-abxxx

Probably need a Dingwall for that tone though...
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103 posts since 29 Nov, 2017, from Québec, Québec, Canada

Postby frthib; Mon Dec 18, 2017 6:35 am Re: Bass sound?

Hi maybe here I can help a little,

I'm a fan of what is considered now classic rock, 80's-90's "metal", I particularely studied Iron Maiden, big fan of Steve Harris and his playing. I'm not 100% sure of his recording setup but here's how I achieve a sound somewhat similar to his using Amped Bass and other gizmos.

First in the chain is Thermionik Amped bass, bass 4, mid 6, high 7, mid freq 5, ultra hi and low off. saturation 7, input gain -24db (or to taste). For the cabsim, I use amplitube 4 ampeg 8x10 cab (amp disabled) with a re20 on cap and a u47 on edge (both equal volume). I use some room sound. (valhalla room)

After is a compressor (density MK3 in that case)

Some eq to tame a bit the bass.

And the most important, a great performance. That's the single most important aspect of it.

I know this is 100% not what the internet is using right now but I never been a fan of that sound (the dual bass, one distorted to hell hipassed and lowpassed, one basically DI'ed) but in the right context my method can give good results.

As an example, what you hear is the bass recorded with that method soloed fading in and out with a backing track of the original song without "steve" with my bass sound in it
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Postby frthib; Mon Dec 18, 2017 6:55 am Re: Bass sound?

Same technique, different song, all guitars are Thermionik, quadtracked (plexi and jcm800).. Not properly mixed, i'm an educated enthousiast ;)

EDIT : remixed a little to remove the "subbass" rumble.
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frthib
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Postby frthib; Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:34 am Re: Bass sound?

After talking to Kazrog, I tried his suggestion in a mix. It's a blend of DI and Ampedbass.

He graciously analysed the bass sound I was after (thanks!).. Steve Harris.

His conclusion (proportions are mine)
+-70% DI, compressed
+-30% VST amp with miced cab. In the example, it's amped bass with his manatanee 8x10 with a r121 and 421
valhalla room on both with studio alpha 20% mix. The whole thing compressed, relax the lower EQ and low mids a little, high pass. new strings are a must.

It's spot on. Studio quality bass tone. I'm not seeking anymore to alter my bass sound. It's "that" sound from now on.

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