Zebra3 Info
- KVRAF
- 5223 posts since 20 Jul, 2010
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- u-he
- Topic Starter
- 28042 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
Good to see we're on the same page hereSendy wrote:EDIT: New pagina!
sorry, couldn't resist the pun
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Perimeter Sound Perimeter Sound https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=162713
- KVRAF
- 1744 posts since 11 Oct, 2007
Just to clarify this, will Zebra 2 patches work in Zebra 3 ? And if so, will they sound radically different ? And if only 'partially', how so, like what part(s) won't work or sound the same ?Urs wrote:Unfortunately we can't just somehow "transform" Zebra2 into this, it would break backwards compatibility. Thus we need to leave Zebra2 untouched, and build Zebra3 fresh.
- KVRAF
- 6095 posts since 5 Jul, 2001 from Just about .... there
anyone else having a groundhogs day feeling?Perimeter Sound wrote:Just to clarify this, will Zebra 2 patches work in Zebra 3 ? And if so, will they sound radically different ? And if only 'partially', how so, like what part(s) won't work or sound the same ?Urs wrote:Unfortunately we can't just somehow "transform" Zebra2 into this, it would break backwards compatibility. Thus we need to leave Zebra2 untouched, and build Zebra3 fresh.
If you have to ask, you can't afford the answer
- u-he
- Topic Starter
- 28042 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
First off, we don't know yet.Perimeter Sound wrote:Just to clarify this, will Zebra 2 patches work in Zebra 3 ? And if so, will they sound radically different ? And if only 'partially', how so, like what part(s) won't work or sound the same ?Urs wrote:Unfortunately we can't just somehow "transform" Zebra2 into this, it would break backwards compatibility. Thus we need to leave Zebra2 untouched, and build Zebra3 fresh.
We have however, after long discussions also with sound designers, concluded that it's best to make Zebra3 a plug-in that can be installed in parallel to Zebra2. We have also decided to keep Zebra2 in development and on sale, most likely in the form of ZebraHZ.
A more recent idea is to incorporate a Zebra2 player into Zebra3, which doesn't allow access to the parameters other than the XY pads. If a Zebra2 patch was loaded into Zebra3, it would atomatically launch the Z2 compatibility mode. While it sounds viable to do, I don't want this idea to get in the way. We'll only do this if it doesn't compromise the future development of Zebra3.
- KVRAF
- 25305 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
That would mean that any presets that did not use the X/Y pads would be entirely uncontrollable. And even ones that do use X/Y pads would only be controllable for the specific parameters sent to the X/Y. I like the idea of keeping the legacy Z2 because all presets are still sully functional.Urs wrote:First off, we don't know yet.Perimeter Sound wrote:Just to clarify this, will Zebra 2 patches work in Zebra 3 ? And if so, will they sound radically different ? And if only 'partially', how so, like what part(s) won't work or sound the same ?Urs wrote:Unfortunately we can't just somehow "transform" Zebra2 into this, it would break backwards compatibility. Thus we need to leave Zebra2 untouched, and build Zebra3 fresh.
We have however, after long discussions also with sound designers, concluded that it's best to make Zebra3 a plug-in that can be installed in parallel to Zebra2. We have also decided to keep Zebra2 in development and on sale, most likely in the form of ZebraHZ.
A more recent idea is to incorporate a Zebra2 player into Zebra3, which doesn't allow access to the parameters other than the XY pads. If a Zebra2 patch was loaded into Zebra3, it would atomatically launch the Z2 compatibility mode. While it sounds viable to do, I don't want this idea to get in the way. We'll only do this if it doesn't compromise the future development of Zebra3.
- u-he
- Topic Starter
- 28042 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
It would only be there to accommodate people with lots of presets who do not want to keep 2 separate plug-ins, and those who have Zebra3 and who download/buy Zebra2 presets (intentionally or by accident).pdxindy wrote:That would mean that any presets that did not use the X/Y pads would be entirely uncontrollable. And even ones that do use X/Y pads would only be controllable for the specific parameters sent to the X/Y. I like the idea of keeping the legacy Z2 because all presets are still sully functional.
- KVRAF
- 4119 posts since 23 May, 2004 from Bad Vilbel, Germany
Or to put it plainly - Z2 sounds would play back normally in Z3, but would not be editable. To edit legacy patches, load them into Z2 instead.Urs wrote:It would only be there to accommodate people with lots of presets who do not want to keep 2 separate plug-ins, and those who have Zebra3 and who download/buy Zebra2 presets (intentionally or by accident).pdxindy wrote:That would mean that any presets that did not use the X/Y pads would be entirely uncontrollable. And even ones that do use X/Y pads would only be controllable for the specific parameters sent to the X/Y. I like the idea of keeping the legacy Z2 because all presets are still sully functional.
- KVRAF
- 25305 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
Urs wrote:It would only be there to accommodate people with lots of presets who do not want to keep 2 separate plug-ins, and those who have Zebra3 and who download/buy Zebra2 presets (intentionally or by accident).pdxindy wrote:That would mean that any presets that did not use the X/Y pads would be entirely uncontrollable. And even ones that do use X/Y pads would only be controllable for the specific parameters sent to the X/Y. I like the idea of keeping the legacy Z2 because all presets are still sully functional.
Ahhh... I thought you meant instead of keeping Z2 as well...
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- KVRist
- 426 posts since 27 Sep, 2005
No, for Z2 presets there is Z2.Urs wrote: A more recent idea is to incorporate a Zebra2 player into Zebra3, which doesn't allow access to the parameters other than the XY pads. If a Zebra2 patch was loaded into Zebra3, it would atomatically launch the Z2 compatibility mode. While it sounds viable to do, I don't want this idea to get in the way. We'll only do this if it doesn't compromise the future development of Zebra3.
It would be much more useful to create rules for partitional import Z2 patches. For example, if there are some modules in Z2 and Z3 that behaves similar to some extent, use the Z3 module that is nearest to Z2.
For example, there is LP Vintage2 filter in Z2. And there is the rule that it can be transformed to (as suggested for Z3 there are rearranged filters with division by characteristics) Filter module in "Lowpass" mode with "24db/octave" slope with "Ladder" model using "Hard" overdrive curve (if drive curves won't be baked into the models).
And if modules cannot be converted, skip.
- u-he
- Topic Starter
- 28042 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
Yep, such a model would be preferrable from our side as well.
We actually intend to come up with some sort of unified preset description language. In this, a preset contains not only the parameter settings but also the module descriptions and signal flow. This could be used to transfer presets from one synth to another, within the boundaries of the individual feature set.
We actually intend to come up with some sort of unified preset description language. In this, a preset contains not only the parameter settings but also the module descriptions and signal flow. This could be used to transfer presets from one synth to another, within the boundaries of the individual feature set.
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- KVRAF
- 2614 posts since 10 Jan, 2005
Unsolicited opinion.. I think Zebra3 should be a totally different plugin, so that you can load old projects with Zebra2 instances with no hassle...
But the main question is: would it be viable to include Zebra2 as an additional plugin in Zebra3 package? Or will they be still sold separately even when Zebra3 is out?
- Mario
But the main question is: would it be viable to include Zebra2 as an additional plugin in Zebra3 package? Or will they be still sold separately even when Zebra3 is out?
- Mario
- u-he
- Topic Starter
- 28042 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
That's one of those big questions.mabian wrote:Unsolicited opinion.. I think Zebra3 should be a totally different plugin, so that you can load old projects with Zebra2 instances with no hassle...
But the main question is: would it be viable to include Zebra2 as an additional plugin in Zebra3 package? Or will they be still sold separately even when Zebra3 is out?
- Mario
We would like to continue selling The Dark Zebra and ZebraHZ, maybe as a bundle with our other soundbanks. This will ensure that Zebra2 "lives".
Whether or not Zebra3 also includes a Zebra2 player, or even a full Zebra2 is a completely different issue. I think this depends on too many factors to decide just yet.
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- KVRer
- 23 posts since 8 Nov, 2011
Just one request:
Is it possible to add more than 4 envelopes?
E.g. if i try to create a FMO-based patch using already 4 envelopes for volume or fm-amount ont the FMOs it would be great to have one or to (non time-based) envelopes free for other modulation.
I know this would be pure luxury
Is it possible to add more than 4 envelopes?
E.g. if i try to create a FMO-based patch using already 4 envelopes for volume or fm-amount ont the FMOs it would be great to have one or to (non time-based) envelopes free for other modulation.
I know this would be pure luxury
- KVRAF
- 25305 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
You also have the 4 MSEG'sBang Ali wrote:Just one request:
Is it possible to add more than 4 envelopes?
E.g. if i try to create a FMO-based patch using already 4 envelopes for volume or fm-amount ont the FMOs it would be great to have one or to (non time-based) envelopes free for other modulation.
I know this would be pure luxury