Repro-1 effect Jaws is heavily out of phase
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1645 posts since 12 Dec, 2012 from Switzerland
Hi U-He
The effect Jaws within Repro-1 sound amazing, in stereo, but I have heavy issues when listening mono. The sound disappears (in and out, not all the time). I used the preset "ARK Space Traveller" and Jaws delivers a great part of the sound, setting B-mode to Off changes the sound too much. It makes that nice "shakey chorusey" sound.
Is it possible to extend Jaws in a way so the width can be manipulated separately or it doesn't go so much out of phase? Or maybe I just didn't find the obvious solution that's already built in.
Cheers,
Murat
The effect Jaws within Repro-1 sound amazing, in stereo, but I have heavy issues when listening mono. The sound disappears (in and out, not all the time). I used the preset "ARK Space Traveller" and Jaws delivers a great part of the sound, setting B-mode to Off changes the sound too much. It makes that nice "shakey chorusey" sound.
Is it possible to extend Jaws in a way so the width can be manipulated separately or it doesn't go so much out of phase? Or maybe I just didn't find the obvious solution that's already built in.
Cheers,
Murat
stardustmedia - high end analog music services - murat
- KVRAF
- 23077 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
Works as intended, as soon as you use bias modulation forget about mono compatibility. So yeah, setting B-Mod to off will often greatly change the sound, it's just the nature of the beast.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1645 posts since 12 Dec, 2012 from Switzerland
It might work as intended, then the expected result is not professional nor usable. What a pitty.
stardustmedia - high end analog music services - murat
- KVRAF
- 3045 posts since 25 Apr, 2011
Lolstardustmedia wrote:It might work as intended, then the expected result is not professional nor usable. What a pitty.
It isn't out of phase at all, as long as you don't touch the b-mod. Which is there to make a stereo effect (like a stereo flanger). I love it. And i do use it professionally...
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1645 posts since 12 Dec, 2012 from Switzerland
Have fun listening to it (B mod on) on a mono device.exmatproton wrote:Lolstardustmedia wrote:It might work as intended, then the expected result is not professional nor usable. What a pitty.
It isn't out of phase at all, as long as you don't touch the b-mod. Which is there to make a stereo effect (like a stereo flanger). I love it. And i do use it professionally...
Without the B mod it's perfectly mono compatible. It's the basic idea to get it out of phase. But it's a too much thus causing phase cancellations.
I care about the mono compatibility so my mixes can be played everywhere without sounds disappearing.
stardustmedia - high end analog music services - murat
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- KVRAF
- 2292 posts since 11 Jan, 2009 from Portland, OR, USA
And how many mono-only venues are currently playing your songs, I wonder?
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1645 posts since 12 Dec, 2012 from Switzerland
How should I know? How can anyone know? Do you know?mholloway wrote:And how many mono-only venues are currently playing your songs, I wonder?
I just try to make sure to be as mono compatible as possible.
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- KVRAF
- 3045 posts since 25 Apr, 2011
So, don't use that knob if you want strictly mono sound......i really don't get it.stardustmedia wrote:Have fun listening to it (B mod on) on a mono device.exmatproton wrote:Lolstardustmedia wrote:It might work as intended, then the expected result is not professional nor usable. What a pitty.
It isn't out of phase at all, as long as you don't touch the b-mod. Which is there to make a stereo effect (like a stereo flanger). I love it. And i do use it professionally...
Without the B mod it's perfectly mono compatible. It's the basic idea to get it out of phase. But it's a too much thus causing phase cancellations.
I care about the mono compatibility so my mixes can be played everywhere without sounds disappearing.
Every modulated overlapping sound creates some kind of cancellation (not always entirely ofcourse).
- KVRAF
- 25309 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
I can take the output of an Osc in Bazille, invert it, and send each to the left and right channel and they would cancel each other out in mono.stardustmedia wrote:It might work as intended, then the expected result is not professional nor usable. What a pitty.
Does that mean Bazille is not professional or usable? Of course not. It is up to the professional to use the tools in the way that works for them.
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1645 posts since 12 Dec, 2012 from Switzerland
Some kind of cancellation is ok. The B mod just goes too far, up to -1 thus cancelling a lot of information. I just say that (if possible) I'd like to see the B mod with a value that doesn't go so far, because the sound it creates IS cool.exmatproton wrote:So, don't use that knob if you want strictly mono sound......i really don't get it.stardustmedia wrote:Have fun listening to it (B mod on) on a mono device.exmatproton wrote:Lolstardustmedia wrote:It might work as intended, then the expected result is not professional nor usable. What a pitty.
It isn't out of phase at all, as long as you don't touch the b-mod. Which is there to make a stereo effect (like a stereo flanger). I love it. And i do use it professionally...
Without the B mod it's perfectly mono compatible. It's the basic idea to get it out of phase. But it's a too much thus causing phase cancellations.
I care about the mono compatibility so my mixes can be played everywhere without sounds disappearing.
Every modulated overlapping sound creates some kind of cancellation (not always entirely ofcourse).
stardustmedia - high end analog music services - murat
- KVRAF
- 23077 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
And as Urs has explained, it can't be done since no matter what, it modulates in opposite sides. It doesn't go too far with Min amount of modulation, so use that, if you must. Don't use the B-Mod Med and Max positions then.
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1645 posts since 12 Dec, 2012 from Switzerland
pdxindy wrote:I can take the output of an Osc in Bazille, invert it, and send each to the left and right channel and they would cancel each other out in mono.stardustmedia wrote:It might work as intended, then the expected result is not professional nor usable. What a pitty.
Does that mean Bazille is not professional or usable? Of course not. It is up to the professional to use the tools in the way that works for them.
I'd just like to see the B mod with a value that doesn't go straight into too much of phase cancellation (= -1 on a correlation meter!?). At the moment it's a tool that is whether off = I don't use its cool sound, or it's on = I have to live with heavy cancellations.
I'd expect from a professional audio tool that it can be set in different ways. If I choose to have the cancellations, ok. But there is no choice.
stardustmedia - high end analog music services - murat
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1645 posts since 12 Dec, 2012 from Switzerland
I tried that and it was still cancelling out too much. Maybe it was that preset I used. I haven't yet tried with another sound.EvilDragon wrote:And as Urs has explained, it can't be done since no matter what, it modulates in opposite sides. It doesn't go too far with Min amount of modulation, so use that, if you must. Don't use the B-Mod Med and Max positions then.
It could rotate the phase a little after modulating, so they don't cancel out that much?
stardustmedia - high end analog music services - murat
- KVRAF
- 23077 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
Again, that would change the sound of all current presets too much. It's the nature of the beast. Either worry too much and don't use it or don't worry to much and use it
I wouldn't worry greatly about cellphone speaker compatibility because those speakers and those small "ghetto blaster" thingies are crap sounding anyways, far from flat frequency response... But hey, if you wanna complicate your life, sure, go ahead. I'd rather not care about mono regardless of where it still could be used and make my life easier. It's your choice.
I wouldn't worry greatly about cellphone speaker compatibility because those speakers and those small "ghetto blaster" thingies are crap sounding anyways, far from flat frequency response... But hey, if you wanna complicate your life, sure, go ahead. I'd rather not care about mono regardless of where it still could be used and make my life easier. It's your choice.
- u-he
- 28042 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
Why don't you just set the B mod value moderately? Also, use with 2 teeth rather than 4 or 6?stardustmedia wrote:Some kind of cancellation is ok. The B mod just goes too far, up to -1 thus cancelling a lot of information. I just say that (if possible) I'd like to see the B mod with a value that doesn't go so far, because the sound it creates IS cool.