So now you can all in good conscience, and with complete honesty, add the wonderfully enticing bullet point to your feature list:
- Featuring Zero Delay Feedback technology!
I don't like the term either (it's as confusing as it can get). But I think the original and heavily misunderstood paper meansjupiter8 wrote:Fail. Analog filters do have delay,it's the law of physics. Actual Analog Emulation is 0.000001 delay filters. I rule.
I would say this is simply plain wrong. Trapezoidal integration implies bilinear transform, but not the other way round.andy-cytomic wrote:I thought it might be useful for people to know that for anyone using RBJ audio eq cookbook code (or any other bilinear z transform method) these are in fact Zero Delay Feedback filters! That's right, anything that uses trapezoidal integration, which is an implicit integration method, solves for things without any delays in feedbacks
So now you can all in good conscience, and with complete honesty, add the wonderfully enticing bullet point to your feature list:
- Featuring Zero Delay Feedback technology!
Actually it gets better, I just realised that the bullet point above you can actually apply to the following circuit:andy-cytomic wrote:I thought it might be useful for people to know that for anyone using RBJ audio eq cookbook code (or any other bilinear z transform method) these are in fact Zero Delay Feedback filters! That's right, anything that uses trapezoidal integration, which is an implicit integration method, solves for things without any delays in feedbacks
So now you can all in good conscience, and with complete honesty, add the wonderfully enticing bullet point to your feature list:
- Featuring Zero Delay Feedback technology!
But they do. Take the laplace transform of an SVF to get your s domain biquad, then realise this circuit with feedback in a time invariant way using the bilinear transform with a DF1, and your zero delay feedback is modelled, yaaa!!!Urs wrote:I can't resist to say, as DF1 filters do not sport a representation of any feedback path of an analogue circuit, they quite clearly can't feature it
(I wonder though whether or not the German term "Den Teufel durch Beelzebub austreiben" - fight one evil with another - applies here)
Filters delay, but here we are talking specifically about if there is any delay included in the model of feedback paths of the circuit.jupiter8 wrote:Fail. Analog filters do have delay,it's the law of physics. Actual Analog Emulation is 0.000001 delay filters. I rule.
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