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Do hosts have a unique sound?
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Do hosts have a unique sound?
2004-05-04T19:01:38+00:00
Hi
Following on from a thread I recently read concerning SX2 and Sonar the following thoughts came to mind, after several posting suggested possible 'Sonic' differences between the two sequencer packages.
Perhaps it is not so outrageous to assume a sequencer might impart 'something' to some, part or indeed all the sound that it is host to; and which (in some way) pass 'through' it.
I have been told that one 'popular' sequencer has the equivalent of a limiter across its 'virtual' outputs - in other words it has code that modifies the sound (that is traveling to the sound card) in order to control inherent digital debris and artifacts at source - and indeed help prevent clipping.
Now this is not something that you might expect to be written on the box for obvious reasons - that an uncontrollable (to the user) process is imparted on the sound.
So perhaps there is validity to the idea that one, some or all host's are likely to have an individual or characteristic sound.
Even if we put aside what I have already stated, it occurs to me that in the virtual world of the host /sequencer engine (which I imagine ALL sound must pass through or be manipulated in some way by) surely some (however minor) alteration (I am lost for descriptive words here!) or sonic manipulation must/could take place.
We all accept (don't we) that the 32 bit processing power (and faster CPU speeds) we enjoy today gives an inherently 'improved' quality to the delivery of lets say hard-drive streamed audio - as opposed to 8 or 16 bit streamed audio?
Well if the above is true - why?
Well that is probably a starting point for suggesting that anything that goes into or through a computer has to in some way be effected by its makeup.
I think it is too easy to think in terms of the final link in the chain (the sound card) as being the only real piece of the jigsaw that impacts on the 'sonic' delivery that we hear.
I remember reading an article on a product that 'conditions' the mains electric supply - the result being a (subjectively) 'improved' clarity to the audio of products that utilized the said gadget - my point being to site an example of how 'obscure' it can be to imagine how subtle (or not so obvious) causes may impact on the perceived 'quality' of what we hear.
And that again raises the issue of 'subjectivity' - I believe that the current 'crop' of host's probably DO have characteristic differences reflected in how (or how much) they impart 'their' own 'sonic' statement on what turns up at the PCI slot to be processed by the sound card - but, and it's a big but - I also think that the differences are very subtle, but nevertheless exist.
This is ultimately not a life and death situation (assuming I have described worst case scenarios!) but it would be interesting to hear the major players (hosts) in a controlled setting on identical systems to hear just how much or little the differences (if any - you skeptic!) are.
By the time I switch from Logic PC to my next platform I wonder if I will notice any difference - perhaps in view of some of the comments I have heard on the SX2/Sonar thread this post might just sway my leaning towards SX2; because presently I like what I hear about Sonar but certainly there have been post's that suggest improved 'sonic' delivery via SX2.
The aim of my observations is not to turn THIS into a battle royale (stick to the other thread please!) but to get some 'USEFUL' dialogue going about what I have put forward - and I make no bones (I wonder if he will comment!) about the validity of the content; it is mainly personal unsubstantiated non-technical bits I have picked up over the years!
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