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Postby fmr; Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:46 am Re: There goes OpenGL for Mac.

Guillaume Piolat wrote:I can see why Apple deprecates OpenGL...

Care to share why?

IMO it's just to (again) create another artificial incompatibility, to tie existing customers and developers more and more to their platform. It's the only way to allow them to charge premium prices for common products.

At the same time, they create another artificial obsolescence for their own older products.
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Postby stratum; Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:48 am Re: There goes OpenGL for Mac.

quikquak wrote:I don’t think it matters what make you card is. *sigh* time to buy a new iMac.


Sounds like sayings it's time to buy a new Jeep. No not at all, Suzuki, Hyundai and many others are fine.
~stratum~
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Postby pekbro; Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:58 am Re: There goes OpenGL for Mac.

Maybe in the long term, they plan to open up the OS to non mac hardware and
make a play for the desktop market. From there, they could still sell their machines
based on hardware performance/quality. So, you could run OSX/IOS anywhere for a price,
and if you want the best performance for it, you would pony up for the latest
and greatest macbook pro sporting 128 arm based processors.

Something like that seems to me the only realistic avenue to a majority
market share, which has to be their goal for the far future. Domination...

This opposed to another possible route, that being better hardware for less.
A much more difficult proposition.
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Postby fmr; Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:03 am Re: There goes OpenGL for Mac.

pekbro wrote:Maybe in the long term, they plan to open up the OS to non mac hardware and
make a play for the desktop market. From there, they could still sell their machines
based on hardware performance/quality.

Except their machines, in terms of price vs performance/features/quality loose to basically ANY other vendor. :roll:

Therefore, that supposed plan is delusional.
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Postby whyterabbyt; Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:03 am Re: There goes OpenGL for Mac.

pekbro wrote:Maybe in the long term, they plan to open up the OS to non mac hardware


No. They're locking down, not opening up.
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Postby quikquak; Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:04 am Re: There goes OpenGL for Mac.

stratum wrote:
quikquak wrote:I don’t think it matters what make you card is. *sigh* time to buy a new iMac.


Sounds like sayings it's time to buy a new Jeep. No not at all, Suzuki, Hyundai and many others are fine.

Not when your family refuses to ride in one! (ie. customers)
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Postby Guillaume Piolat; Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:05 am Re: There goes OpenGL for Mac.

fmr wrote:
Guillaume Piolat wrote:I can see why Apple deprecates OpenGL...

Care to share why?

IMO it's just to (again) create another artificial incompatibility, to tie existing customers and developers more and more to their platform.


Yes you said it. The more particular and non-standard it is to develop for them, the more developers will make it Apple-only. And they sell hardware so churn is good for them.

- Apple was against MPEG-DASH because it didn't benefit them. That particular standard was made unbelievably ugly/two-headed just to have Apple "on board".
- They also killed Flash, presumably because it commoditized desktops to be Flash players. Who wants to sell VM players? Similarly with Java applets.
- There are only rumors they may disallow Cordova-based apps https://forum.ionicframework.com/t/all- ... oax/115757
- Java JVM lags behind Oracle's one on the Mac because they don't benefit.

That's also why we have "weaponized" languages like Swift. Chances are, it will never be portable, because it wouldn't benefit AAPL.
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Postby quikquak; Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:08 am Re: There goes OpenGL for Mac.

Eeek! - then of course there’s the rumour that they are planning to drop Intel, and start making their own Arm chips for desktop.
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Postby stratum; Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:11 am Re: There goes OpenGL for Mac.

Guillaume Piolat wrote:
fmr wrote:
Guillaume Piolat wrote:I can see why Apple deprecates OpenGL...

Care to share why?

IMO it's just to (again) create another artificial incompatibility, to tie existing customers and developers more and more to their platform.


Yes you said it. The more particular and non-standard it is to develop for them, the more developers will make it Apple-only. And they sell hardware so churn is good for them.

- Apple was against MPEG-DASH because it didn't benefit them. That particular standard was made unbelievably ugly/two-headed just to have Apple "on board".
- They also killed Flash, presumably because it commoditized desktops to be Flash players. Who wants to sell VM players? Similarly with Java applets.
- There are only rumors they may disallow Cordova-based apps https://forum.ionicframework.com/t/all- ... oax/115757
- Java JVM lags behind Oracle's one on the Mac because they don't benefit.

That's also why we have "weaponized" languages like Swift. Chances are, it will never be portable, because it wouldn't benefit AAPL.


Futile efforts unless Trump also adds customs tax on Chinese made PCs. :lol:
~stratum~
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Postby pekbro; Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:12 am Re: There goes OpenGL for Mac.

fmr wrote:
pekbro wrote:Maybe in the long term, they plan to open up the OS to non mac hardware and
make a play for the desktop market. From there, they could still sell their machines
based on hardware performance/quality.

Except their machines, in terms of price vs performance/features/quality loose to basically ANY other vendor. :roll:

Therefore, that supposed plan is delusional.


Currently yes, but the arm thing could go along way for them in that area if done right.
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Postby sprnva; Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:12 am Re: There goes OpenGL for Mac.

fmr wrote:My iMac has an Nvidia. I wonder if that will be supported ???

I think Metal support on Nvidia started with the 6xx series. So it depends on what model your iMac is.

The list of unsupported Macs goes up to the iMac12 so you'll need at least a Late 2012 iMac13.
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Postby fmr; Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:14 am Re: There goes OpenGL for Mac.

stratum wrote: Futile efforts unless Trump also adds customs tax on Chinese made PCs. :lol:

Are there Chinese made PCs already? :eek: :lol:
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Postby stratum; Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:16 am Re: There goes OpenGL for Mac.

fmr wrote:
stratum wrote: Futile efforts unless Trump also adds customs tax on Chinese made PCs. :lol:

Are there Chinese made PCs already? :eek: :lol:


In some sense, yes.
~stratum~
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Postby pekbro; Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:20 am Re: There goes OpenGL for Mac.

whyterabbyt wrote:
pekbro wrote:Maybe in the long term, they plan to open up the OS to non mac hardware


No. They're locking down, not opening up.


Sure, but to what end? I assure you, a niche or minority market share is not where they want to be
indefinitely. Their actions now are not necessarily indicative of future intentions.
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Postby stratum; Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:24 am Re: There goes OpenGL for Mac.

pekbro wrote:
whyterabbyt wrote:
pekbro wrote:Maybe in the long term, they plan to open up the OS to non mac hardware


No. They're locking down, not opening up.


Sure, but to what end? I assure you, a niche or minority market share is not where they want to be
indefinitely. Their actions now are not necessarily indicative of future intentions.


My guess is that when the self driving cars and other related AI products are ready the side shows will be closed.
~stratum~
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