EvilDragon wrote:bbtr wrote:Urs wrote:digital compressors which surpass
Hey, I often wonder - where are those?!
Tokyo Dawn Labs. Klanghelm. Presswerk.
And so on, and so on...
bbtr wrote:u-he said 'a lot better'
bbtr wrote: @fmr:
And so on - well I didn't mean vanilla style cookbook digital compressors OF COURSE. u-he said 'a lot better' than the analogs. So where are those?
Urs wrote:Well, if you want to be strict on the comparison, it's "young fans" who still buy analogue cameras.
Thing is, in the world of photography, digital sensors have made analogue film obsolete, and likewise did digital image development make analogue image development obsolete. Cameras, lenses and light are still physical though.
In the world of audio production, nostalgia prevails. Analogue stuff is the shnitzle, even though its limitations are often dreadful compared to what is possible in software (think compressors, eqs, mixing desks). I.e. it's possible to make digital compressors which surpass any analogue one in sound quality, flexibility, musicality, efficiency, price and what have you. But people still get teary eyes in front of a Fairchild, while a softcomp is always "just a tool" for them.
fluffy_little_something wrote:Regarding sound, I think the difference is that with sound more perfect does not mean more enjoyable. Many people simply like the sounds of the past and don't strive for perfection or new sounds. Unlike with photography, where except for artistic shots you try to capture reality as perfectly as possible, with music there is no reality to capture perfectly, it's all art to begin with.
vortico wrote:Oh, one more thing to add. We're in the DSP board, but there's a lot of innovated needed in the hardware controller market. Still more things to try like haptic interfaces, modular knobs/buttons/cable MIDI controllers, expressive keyboards with MPE, and electro-physical sound making devices.
low_low wrote:vortico wrote:Oh, one more thing to add. We're in the DSP board, but there's a lot of innovated needed in the hardware controller market. Still more things to try like haptic interfaces, modular knobs/buttons/cable MIDI controllers, expressive keyboards with MPE, and electro-physical sound making devices.
I've looked at DSP boards, but there doesn't seem to be an industry standard that is used widely enough that VST manufacturers can all use them, am I wrong ? Most of the DSP I've seen is manufacturer specific, and they have their little set of VST's that go with them and that's the end of it.
Urs wrote:bbtr wrote:Urs wrote:digital compressors which surpass
Hey, I often wonder - where are those?! I know of two which are great, but come on, that's nothing compared to the hundreds of 'analog' plug-ins. And they are recommending sonic degradation as a feature, as a selling point! And people like that! ?!?!
So who is going to make THE experimental digital compressor from the future? Any volunteers?
Let's put it that way: I'm extremely biased. But also hats off to Dave Gamble, if you need any example without my biased opinion. But there's more, certainly, I just don't know them well enough.
Terrafractyl wrote:Try making a patch on 'any' digital modular with extensive feedback, and a bit of heavy audio rate modulation. And then make the same judgement. Doesn't work.