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WOK
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Postby WOK; Thu Aug 02, 2018 1:55 am Re: Selling VST2 after October 2018: Steinberg agreement

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syntonica
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Postby syntonica; Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:00 am Re: Selling VST2 after October 2018: Steinberg agreement

Psst.. Hey, buddy! Yeah, you. You got a VST 2 SDK? 8)

Want one? :hihi:

Looks like Steinberg is trying to stamp the older code out is all. Nothing unusual here--try finding some older Apple docs or SDKs.

Now that Apple is killing OpenGL, not sure what's next for my code base. I was just getting the hang of it, too!

Guess I'd better dig out my VST 3 docs and start learning... :cry:
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Postby S0lo; Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:08 pm Re: Selling VST2 after October 2018: Steinberg agreement

syntonica wrote:Psst.. Hey, buddy! Yeah, you. You got a VST 2 SDK? 8)

Want one? :hihi:

Looks like Steinberg is trying to stamp the older code out is all. Nothing unusual here--try finding some older Apple docs or SDKs.

Now that Apple is killing OpenGL, not sure what's next for my code base. I was just getting the hang of it, too!

Guess I'd better dig out my VST 3 docs and start learning... :cry:


I have no idea what happened to "Backward compatibility". Such a waste of time, constantly learning new APIs for months, that end up doing almost the same thing, but usually slower and heavier on CPU.

No long term strategy. Poor planing. New engineers come and wipe out what the old ones have done in the name of "renovation". Reinventing the same wheel again and again, instead of building up on what has been done before. Change for the sake of change.

All respect to MIcrosoft. My 15 year old code still works because I use their core API. Not that they haven't done worse in other occasions, but at least some thing is done well.

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Postby soulelle; Sun Aug 05, 2018 2:20 pm Re: Selling VST2 after October 2018: Steinberg agreement

S0lo wrote:I have no idea what happened to "Backward compatibility". Such a waste of time, constantly learning new APIs for months, that end up doing almost the same thing, but usually slower and heavier on CPU.

No long term strategy. Poor planing. New engineers come and wipe out what the old ones have done in the name of "renovation". Reinventing the same wheel again and again, instead of building up on what has been done before. Change for the sake of change.

All respect to MIcrosoft. My 15 year old code still works because I use their core API. Not that they haven't done worse in other occasions, but at least some thing is done well.

IMHO


Such a waste of time and money in the lack of intelligent human resources indeed, constantly learning someone else's code or architecture, that end up being inefficient when running on a brand-new device.

No short term tactics. Slow response to user demand and business needs. New engineers spend years to understand megabytes of existing code, with outdated architecture that the old ones have done in the name of "backward compatibility", instead of writing something that simply works in two weeks.

All respect to APple. I stayed in business for 15 years because my customers keep paying for updates/subscription plans to get the latest and greatest. Not that Apple haven't done worse in other occasions, but at least some thing is done well.

IMHO
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S0lo
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Postby S0lo; Sun Aug 05, 2018 3:10 pm Re: Selling VST2 after October 2018: Steinberg agreement

soulelle wrote:
S0lo wrote:I have no idea what happened to "Backward compatibility". Such a waste of time, constantly learning new APIs for months, that end up doing almost the same thing, but usually slower and heavier on CPU.

No long term strategy. Poor planing. New engineers come and wipe out what the old ones have done in the name of "renovation". Reinventing the same wheel again and again, instead of building up on what has been done before. Change for the sake of change.

All respect to MIcrosoft. My 15 year old code still works because I use their core API. Not that they haven't done worse in other occasions, but at least some thing is done well.

IMHO


Such a waste of time and money in the lack of intelligent human resources indeed, constantly learning someone else's code or architecture, that end up being inefficient when running on a brand-new device.

No short term tactics. Slow response to user demand and business needs. New engineers spend years to understand megabytes of existing code, with outdated architecture that the old ones have done in the name of "backward compatibility", instead of writing something that simply works in two weeks.

All respect to APple. I stayed in business for 15 years because my customers keep paying for updates/subscription plans to get the latest and greatest. Not that Apple haven't done worse in other occasions, but at least some thing is done well.

IMHO


Really good first post :wink:

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Aleksey Vaneev
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Postby Aleksey Vaneev; Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:24 pm Re: Selling VST2 after October 2018: Steinberg agreement

S0lo wrote:I have no idea what happened to "Backward compatibility". Such a waste of time, constantly learning new APIs for months, that end up doing almost the same thing, but usually slower and heavier on CPU.

"Hype" is all what businesses need. E.g. VST3. But even worse plague happens in web-technologies - so many things on top of other things, new languages constantly appear - not better languages, but "hypey" enough. And we blame God for dividing humans by language.
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Postby discoDSP; Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:55 am Re: Selling VST2 after October 2018: Steinberg agreement

Isn't dropping VST2 support from Steinberg pointless for developers who already have a signed agreement?
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aMUSEd
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Postby aMUSEd; Mon Aug 06, 2018 3:07 am Re: Selling VST2 after October 2018: Steinberg agreement

Yeah but what about new developers? Looks like increasingly new plugins from new companies won't be developed in VST2
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S0lo
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Postby S0lo; Mon Aug 06, 2018 3:15 am Re: Selling VST2 after October 2018: Steinberg agreement

Aleksey Vaneev wrote:
S0lo wrote:I have no idea what happened to "Backward compatibility". Such a waste of time, constantly learning new APIs for months, that end up doing almost the same thing, but usually slower and heavier on CPU.

"Hype" is all what businesses need. E.g. VST3. But even worse plague happens in web-technologies - so many things on top of other things, new languages constantly appear - not better languages, but "hypey" enough. And we blame God for dividing humans by language.


I do agree. Can't help but smile in vain sometimes when some question like "Is C++ good to learn in 2018 ?" pops up in Quora :ud:
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Aleksey Vaneev
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Postby Aleksey Vaneev; Mon Aug 06, 2018 3:47 am Re: Selling VST2 after October 2018: Steinberg agreement

aMUSEd wrote:Yeah but what about new developers? Looks like increasingly new plugins from new companies won't be developed in VST2

Won't be developed to skip on Ableton Live userbase? Well, if business is not serious, maybe.
https://help.ableton.com/hc/en-us/artic ... 27844-VST3
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