Another FM video with cracked Sylenth. ...and Martin Garrix.

[aciddose]

But it seems like every one of these stories causes less and less of a reaction. No one can even be bothered to pretend that they shouldnt use warez...

I think this is just the blowback from the way it has been way overdone in all the creative industries.

If you push people to lose respect for creators by being the biggest pricks possible, it is really no surprise.

The surprise will be the fact that this is only the beginning and that the entire world is going to soon be populated by these generations which have been abused by those "representing" the creators. The creators will pay the ultimate price here.

Once the "software industry" was hanging some floppies in the computer room at the local campus and running on the honor system.

[FarleyCZ]

The facts are again, reality check, the only realistic option would be to go nuclear on him and file a lawsuit. This is expensive, extremely risky and will provide minimal relief most likely limited to the cost of a single license.

How is that worth it?

Well you have to decide this. Videos like that sets a precedence, a convention that not paying for your software is OK during your whole career no metter how succesfull it gets. And, my version of reality check, kids will notice. They study videos like this to be able to replicate those sounds second by second. In long term, this will destroy any will of young generation to support you guys at all. And that's what I think is worth the lawsuit. If not to the kid then to FM, or agencies that left Aoki's Sylenth in music video. I mean those are the people weakening the market in a longterm.

The kid should have to apologize, empty or not. He should have to say "Im sorry, Ive bought it. I will never do that again." yadda yadda.
But it seems like every one of these stories causes less and less of a reaction. No one can even be bothered to pretend that they shouldnt use warez...

Yes, this is the point I'm (kind of unsuccessfully ) trying to make here!

[cocoazenith]

Maybe the state of music right now is because every kid uses software as he pleases

[Sendy]

This guy has more power than Lennar and the other devs. He's a superstar DJ, and he knows it, therefore he can do whatever he wants. That is the unwritten law that we all know is in place.

[Robmobius]

I certainly object to software piracy, and feel for the devs who put countless hours into a product, only to see it appear on every other torrent site.

But it is what it is… ‘X’ amount of people will pirate, and ‘Y’ amount of people will buy. One only hopes that buying will outnumber piracy.

However, I’m certainly not ‘outraged’ by the actions of one 17 year old who has pirated Sylenth. Most 17 year olds have absolutely no sense, or form of income. They want it, they take it, because piracy on the internet is easy and rampant.

To be honest though, I’d much rather a 17 year old was making music, then joyriding, vandalism or carrying a blade. I’d also hope, in a few years down the line, he or she kid would ‘cop on’ and buy the products to support the devs.

[chk071]

However, I’m certainly not ‘outraged’ by the actions of one 17 year old who has pirated Sylenth. Most 17 year olds have absolutely no sense, or form of income. They want it, they take it, because piracy on the internet is easy and rampant.

And that's why i doubt that a role model of some kind would have an influence. I don't think that anyone will pirate, just because their favourite artist does it... people do because the inhibition threshold is low, because their friends do it, and because almost noone has to face any consequences. Anyway, i still believe the majority of famous producers paid for their stuff, so.

[DrGonzo]

The amount of realism in this thread is overwhelming. I really don't mind a 17 year old downloading all kinds of shit from the internet. Go on - explore the space. But I still think there's loads of wrongs with this thing. FM is again turning their ignorance towards the subject and if the guy really makes money from his music - I don't give a shit if he is 17, retarded or a worshipper of the Mayan calendar. He should pay and getting caught on camera using a pirated version makes him not a very clever guy.

That being said - the world is what it is and parasites are everywhere - but I really really really wouldn't mind hunting down the fckers who share what they buy on torrents. Every time I get notified that my sounds have been uploaded to a new torrent server I really feel like someone kicked me in my balls.

Assholes.

/C

[FarleyCZ]

"Kids are poor" argument is understandable about normal 17 years old, not about guy that plays at biggest EDM festivals on the planet. I have a problem believing he remains completely poor at this stage. Prove me wrong.

And rolemodel will work axactly becouse of this fact again. Normal 17 years have no money but do have hunger for success, freaking Martin Garrix gets famous over night with (Ok most likely) pirated stuff. What the hell on earth will change those kids minds? If I didn't see this happening in Czech Republic, where almost no exception everyone downloads warez, I wouldn't argue with you. Damn they (90's kids, my generation) laugh at me when they see me having legal games on Steam... Nothing can change their mind at this environment.

Buying software is just becoming massively lame...

[Robmobius]

However, I’m certainly not ‘outraged’ by the actions of one 17 year old who has pirated Sylenth. Most 17 year olds have absolutely no sense, or form of income. They want it, they take it, because piracy on the internet is easy and rampant.

And that's why i doubt that a role model of some kind would have an influence. I don't think that anyone will pirate, just because their favourite artist does it... people do because the inhibition threshold is low, because their friends do it, and because almost noone has to face any consequences. Anyway, i still believe the majority of famous producers paid for their stuff, so.

Yeah, I hear ya'. As you say, there are plenty of other factors.

I think the majority of pro-artists do pay for their products. I hope so anyway!

[Sendy]

This is probably a tricky question to even answer with any degree of accuracy, but have there been many meduim-to-big success non-EDM producers that are known to use cracks? It really just seems to be the EDM crowd, not just using them, but flaunting it, creating a knock-on effect that normalizes and even makes piracy appealing to younger kids.

[FarleyCZ]

This is probably a tricky question to even answer with any degree of accuracy, but have there been many meduim-to-big success non-EDM producers that are known to use cracks? It really just seems to be the EDM crowd, not just using them, but flaunting it, creating a knock-on effect that normalizes and even makes piracy appealing to younger kids.

You are essentially asking for point of refference that does not exist. But outside of music, you can see it regularly. Schools asking young CG artists for showreels (that can be made in some cases just by warez software, look at AfterEffects price) Or game industry. Games are getting stolen hours before actual release for quite a time now...

[faun2500]

If you look at his soundcloud page, pretty much all of his track titles are related to piracy...

No, Surely thats not right.

I mean the track titled "torrent" is obviously about water!
The one called 'Keygen' is surely about those keycard generators hotels use to program your room key.

Registration code must be...ummm about the.. something

..and "Crackin'" well, thats obviously about whips isn't it?

[chk071]

And still companies feel like its a worthy opportunity to invest into producing games, so the percentage ofpirated games can't be THAT big. Of course also due to more and more effective copy protections. Of course, in the age of high speed internet, the rate of pirated copies is higher than it used to be, but the market has also grown much bigger. And an important point for audio apps, for me, is also the question how many of the people using warez would have really bought the full version? Of course, the guy in the video would have, but all the wanna-be-like-hims? So i wonder how much damage is really done.

[Mushy Mushy]

Just listened to that Animals track. It's rubbish.
And I genuinely promise I'm not saying that due to jealousy etc.

For example I will say I hate Avicii but that country fused track he released recently is superb. This Animals though is just rubbish.

[Sendy]

You are essentially asking for point of refference that does not exist.

Well, in all reality I'm asking for more evidence to cement my feeling of disdain for the majority of mainstream EDM culture