If you were a carpenter and a song was a chair...

[JurijPopotnig]

If common sense is an ideology for you then so this may well be a fact in your opinion and I therefore excuse my words on top. I understand. Don't want to get philosophically involved here.

If you just don't get my point and think I don't want the better to be paid more than the other one this is not the case. If you'd understand my idea you'd know that is not the point.

[Redmerkurii]

If I were a carpenter and a song was a chair... I'd probably end up with splinters in my arse!

[chk071]

If I were a carpenter and a song was a chair... I'd probably end up with splinters in my arse!

Hahahaha.

[Zexila]

Don't want to get philosophically involved here.

Too late for that, your ideology resolves around your philosophy

[deastman]

Anyway, I reject the whole premise. Whether a song costs $1 or $2, whether an album is $10 or $20, music fans will still buy it if they like it. The real issue is marketing, discovery, connecting artists with a potential audience.

[Zexila]

There's no real issue actually, it's greedy modern "artist's" first world problems, like "not getting all the money from my tracks" and "I'm not in Beatport top 100 because I refuse to pay for additional marketing", "I don't make music that people want to buy" and "Managers are asking me for a cut"... It's entertainment business, everyone is in for the money.

Let's change the world so people discover all the music everyone is making&selling, because it's not enough these days anyone can make&sell the same on their own.

What's the solution, everyone is entitled for same marketing or none?

Maybe new world government decision that every day every citizen of world needs to sit down in front of big public screen and watch new entertainment releases and news, after that all can vote about price they are willing to pay for it.

This global greed is slowly starting to take very destructive turns, walking over dead bodies for your goals and by all means.

[JurijPopotnig]

Anyway, I reject the whole premise. Whether a song costs $1 or $2, whether an album is $10 or $20, music fans will still buy it if they like it. The real issue is marketing, discovery, connecting artists with a potential audience.

Don't you think if you'd release your music after getting paid what's fair for the song that wouldn't also increase fan participation in marketing, too?

It's like you have a product and then look for customers who are willing to buy it and also have your customers advertising your product because they don't have it yet.

Now it's like you have a product pay people to get it out and hope it will sell.

I don't see any difference in outcome for a talented artist. Yes you can generate a one hit wonder and stop afterwards the old way, that wouldn't be the case with this funding. IDK if it turned out very well for most one hit wonder producers though, don't think so.

[harryupbabble]

If one is living in the first world does it always mean one is living a first world life? Is making a living off the thing that one loves to do so wrong? If the thread starter succeeds then isn't that good for the rest of us? Seems like the method that is being proposed would bypass the suits. And who's more greedy than the sociopathic suits?

[JurijPopotnig]

There's no real issue actually, it's greedy modern "artist's" first world problems, like "not getting all the money from my tracks" and "I'm not in Beatport top 100 because I refuse to pay for additional marketing", "I don't make music that people want to buy" and "Managers are asking me for a cut"... It's entertainment business, everyone is in for the money.

Let's change the world so people discover all the music everyone is making&selling, because it's not enough these days anyone can make&sell the same on their own.

What's the solution, everyone is entitled for same marketing or none?

Maybe new world government decision that every day every citizen of world needs to sit down in front of big public screen and watch new entertainment releases and news, after that all can vote about price they are willing to pay for it.

This global greed is slowly starting to take very destructive turns, walking over dead bodies for your goals and by all means.

Everyone is in for the money because there are certain cash cows that can be milked. If you put a global price for one song you get rid of these greedy folks. I'm not sure if this is in or against NWO interests, though. Do they want slave workers or chaos idk?

[Zexila]

If one is living in the first world does it always mean one is living a first world life? Is making a living off the thing that one loves to do so wrong? If the thread starter succeeds then isn't that good for the rest of us? Seems like the method that is being proposed would bypass the suits. And who's more greedy than the sociopathic suits?

Why not spend little time with your own questions, see is it possible for everyone to succeed in their plans without hurting or making anyone else suffer around them?

There was one guy that wanted to take over the world and you saw how that happened, if we all start chasing our own greedy dreams like that, we will not get very far.

Some people love to rape, others to kill and so on, but let's not get that far, if everyone started demanding unreasonable rights without thinking about anyone else, well, very quick everyone will get in everyone's way, simple.

If he succeeds in his plan, than rest of planet will be forced to go trough every release and name their price, I don't want to do that, even if I can potentially benefit from it.

[Zexila]

There's no real issue actually, it's greedy modern "artist's" first world problems, like "not getting all the money from my tracks" and "I'm not in Beatport top 100 because I refuse to pay for additional marketing", "I don't make music that people want to buy" and "Managers are asking me for a cut"... It's entertainment business, everyone is in for the money.

Let's change the world so people discover all the music everyone is making&selling, because it's not enough these days anyone can make&sell the same on their own.

What's the solution, everyone is entitled for same marketing or none?

Maybe new world government decision that every day every citizen of world needs to sit down in front of big public screen and watch new entertainment releases and news, after that all can vote about price they are willing to pay for it.

This global greed is slowly starting to take very destructive turns, walking over dead bodies for your goals and by all means.

Everyone is in for the money because there are certain cash cows that can be milked. If you put a global price for one song you get rid of these greedy folks. I'm not sure if this is in or against NWO interests, though. Do they want slave workers or chaos idk?

No, you aren't, you just made forced uniformed price, something that you are against actually, at least judging by your opening message.

[JurijPopotnig]

If one is living in the first world does it always mean one is living a first world life? Is making a living off the thing that one loves to do so wrong? If the thread starter succeeds then isn't that good for the rest of us? Seems like the method that is being proposed would bypass the suits. And who's more greedy than the sociopathic suits?

Why not spend little time with your own questions, see is it possible for everyone to succeed in their plans without hurting or making anyone else suffer around them?

There was one guy that wanted to take over the world and you saw how that happened, if we all start chasing our own greedy dreams like that, we will not get very far.

Some people love to rape, others to kill and so on, but let's not get that far, if everyone started demanding unreasonable rights without thinking about anyone else, well, very quick everyone will get in everyone's way, simple.

If he succeeds in his plan, than rest of planet will be forced to go trough every release and name their price, I don't want to do that, even if I can potentially benefit from it.

No. You wouldn't have to change the way you live your life if I try another approach in selling my music and succeed. I'm also no rapist. Who am I hurting with selling my music? I don't get you folks. If you are selling other people's music and get laid off than you could switch to selling toilet seats instead there's no difference in the way this works. It's the same with every other job. I don't wanna hurt nobody but that's how nature works.

You also oppose things you could profit from? That makes you just totally irrational, I'm sorry.

[Zexila]

No. You wouldn't have to change the way you live your life if I try another approach in selling my music and succeed.

Well, that's not true, maybe if you are going to visit people in their dreams so they can hear and name price for your and other millions of folks music, I don't see other way they will do that, if they really don't want to spend their free time on that...so again you are left with reality, where you can sell people music, leaving them to name their price...

I'm also no rapist. Who am I hurting with selling my music? I don't get you folks.

I know you don't, that's fairly obvious, so explaining why your vision isn't going to happen is rather pointless....

If you are selling other people's music and get laid off than you could switch to selling toilet seats instead there's no difference in the way this works. It's the same with every other job. I don't wanna hurt nobody but that's how nature works.

Unfortunately that's how it works for some, you are barely making any sense, I hope you are troll at this point, I really do...

You also oppose things you could profit from? That makes you just totally irrational, I'm sorry.

I know, imagine somebody is there thinking about something else than himself, go figure.

[Zexila]

I'm out, hope you understand in order for your vision to became reality, reality needs to change big time, this is some sort of secret society that runs the world meeting idea, not something that actually could be done.

Basically for anyone to succeed in this, they need to control the media at least and that current system disappear over night, among other things, so what could be done is already done and coexist.

[JurijPopotnig]

Good night, good luck.