Zappa - what a tight music arranger
- KVRAF
- 25051 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
thing about Bolero is, Ravel recorded a version for a dance orchestra that one might think is pretty cheesy. I get the feel thing, the hypnotic - or for me, relaxing is about as far it goes - effect and the sort of drama in the build-up.
And the Ravel-conducted (true or not, he appears to have directed the orch and turned it over to another man for at least one recording) 1928-1932 versions are really fecking slow.
I think this is the 'right' tempo. I have no idea what orch or director this even is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r30D3SW4OVw
landed on it looking for the dance orch recording but NOTHING appears in searches
as to humor, one supposed that some people's answer to 'Does Humor Belong In Music?' will be 'no'. and the childlike unfiltered impulsiveness of doing the hook to My Sharona here is a no-go.
And the Ravel-conducted (true or not, he appears to have directed the orch and turned it over to another man for at least one recording) 1928-1932 versions are really fecking slow.
I think this is the 'right' tempo. I have no idea what orch or director this even is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r30D3SW4OVw
landed on it looking for the dance orch recording but NOTHING appears in searches
as to humor, one supposed that some people's answer to 'Does Humor Belong In Music?' will be 'no'. and the childlike unfiltered impulsiveness of doing the hook to My Sharona here is a no-go.
- KVRAF
- 25051 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
one more thing about Zappa doing that is, the Ravel estate still held copyright on it in 1988 and this is/was a violation in some countries. I forget if it was a European problem or what.
Now, this thing you couldn't do without a healthy sense of humor.
I may have already posted it, but it's so f**king great it may as well take up as much space as summa the shit in 'your music, better or worse than this' thread.
Arthur Barrow with a little more space does a little more with his parts here, which are funky as all gitout.
(Later, Steve Vai with this basic band takes up a lot of space. Odd, subtle difference in what AB did on the album)
Ray White kills it as always. Frank meant this shit and Ray White always sings like he means it, he gets it.
This is Vinnie and not David Logeman as well.
excellent sound quality
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXgZ7xIpHOE
Now, this thing you couldn't do without a healthy sense of humor.
I may have already posted it, but it's so f**king great it may as well take up as much space as summa the shit in 'your music, better or worse than this' thread.
Arthur Barrow with a little more space does a little more with his parts here, which are funky as all gitout.
(Later, Steve Vai with this basic band takes up a lot of space. Odd, subtle difference in what AB did on the album)
Ray White kills it as always. Frank meant this shit and Ray White always sings like he means it, he gets it.
This is Vinnie and not David Logeman as well.
excellent sound quality
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXgZ7xIpHOE
- KVRAF
- 25051 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
Yep
And here comes the ice pick in the forehead!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8QLrdjWAkU
Russian page concerning lobotomy technique.
I get pop-ups here, with some kind of phone offer, I don't know, no speaky the lingo. phone sex with a Russian woman? so watch out. it's humorous. maybe
Icepick what done Trotsky in (supposedly) found
'fembot' refers to an episode of The Six Million Dollar Man
ok then, I'm done
And here comes the ice pick in the forehead!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8QLrdjWAkU
Russian page concerning lobotomy technique.
I get pop-ups here, with some kind of phone offer, I don't know, no speaky the lingo. phone sex with a Russian woman? so watch out. it's humorous. maybe
Icepick what done Trotsky in (supposedly) found
'fembot' refers to an episode of The Six Million Dollar Man
ok then, I'm done
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- KVRist
- 188 posts since 11 Sep, 2017
Zappa for president!
One thing people forget about Zappa was long before it was popular, his band consisted of woman, blacks, gays, ethnic and a wide range of peoples.
He celebrated diversity not only musically but also in his band.
One thing people forget about Zappa was long before it was popular, his band consisted of woman, blacks, gays, ethnic and a wide range of peoples.
He celebrated diversity not only musically but also in his band.
- KVRAF
- 25051 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
When he was 14, 15 he was [drummer] in an R&B group that was mixed, in an area that was very redneck and sometimes there was trouble.
people thought not so well of his drumming, too heavy on the cymbals they said.
which is funny because later he said that of Bozzio.
people say that about me but I'm
people thought not so well of his drumming, too heavy on the cymbals they said.
which is funny because later he said that of Bozzio.
people say that about me but I'm
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- KVRAF
- 25051 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
This is from the 1979 album Touch Me There by classical Indian music virtuoso violinist L Shankar produced by Frank Zappa, this tune (a hard rocker) written by FZ.
This is the suppressed original version with Van Morrison singing lead.
And this features the most explosive solo by Shankar; note how the second chorus builds in tension and excitement and anticipation. comes in @3:02
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tG9D9erJFA
This is the suppressed original version with Van Morrison singing lead.
And this features the most explosive solo by Shankar; note how the second chorus builds in tension and excitement and anticipation. comes in @3:02
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tG9D9erJFA
- KVRAF
- 25051 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
Frank with Mr. Sting
Murder By Numbers over Oliver Nelson's Stolen Moments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAe9rMOxCTg
Murder By Numbers over Oliver Nelson's Stolen Moments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAe9rMOxCTg
- KVRAF
- 1724 posts since 31 Dec, 2004 from betwixt
- KVRAF
- 25051 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
just me and the pygmy pony
over by the dental floss bush
one of a kind, people
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO5jhKma-4g
the guitar solo here, out of this world
FZ said he preferred to do the solos onstage, it's hard to feel it in the studio
I don't know what drove him to this. but also on this album are extremely hot solos on
I'm the Slime and Zombie Woof
also note the "I'm plucking the ol' dennil floss
growing on the prairie, pluckin' the floss
I plucked all day and all night and all afternoon
vocal by one of the Ikettes working for 25 dollars a song
all that Ike would allow, petty tyrant he was.
she was so proud of that bit because it was an accomplishment
showed Ike it and "What is this shit."
over by the dental floss bush
one of a kind, people
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO5jhKma-4g
the guitar solo here, out of this world
FZ said he preferred to do the solos onstage, it's hard to feel it in the studio
I don't know what drove him to this. but also on this album are extremely hot solos on
I'm the Slime and Zombie Woof
also note the "I'm plucking the ol' dennil floss
growing on the prairie, pluckin' the floss
I plucked all day and all night and all afternoon
vocal by one of the Ikettes working for 25 dollars a song
all that Ike would allow, petty tyrant he was.
she was so proud of that bit because it was an accomplishment
showed Ike it and "What is this shit."
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- KVRian
- 963 posts since 29 Sep, 2006
Cooljancivil wrote:Frank with Mr. Sting
Murder By Numbers over Oliver Nelson's Stolen Moments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAe9rMOxCTg
--After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music.
-Aldous Huxley
-Aldous Huxley
- KVRAF
- 25051 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
- KVRAF
- 7624 posts since 21 Dec, 2002 from MD USA
I'm pretty sure he Zappa was self taught.
my music: http://www.alexcooperusa.com
"It's hard to be humble, when you're as great as I am." Muhammad Ali
"It's hard to be humble, when you're as great as I am." Muhammad Ali
- KVRAF
- 25051 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
Wel, he didn't go to conservatory for it, or take private lessons in composition or anything.
He had theory in high school and junior college and did rudimentary drumming ('Scottische') via marching band or like that.
He had theory in high school and junior college and did rudimentary drumming ('Scottische') via marching band or like that.
- KVRAF
- 10466 posts since 31 Aug, 2013 from Somewhere near the Morgul Vale.
I hesitate to say anything in this thread, but, what the hey...
Yes, Zappa was very good at what he did. With the exception to tripping on acid, listening to 'Just Another Band From L.A.,' and giggling a lot (waa-waa-waa, nice laydee!), Zappa doesn't do a lot for me emotionally. I listened to that album whilst not under any influence, and it bored me. I have it, and haven't listened to it through since 1983 or so. Same with 'Fillmore East.' He's clever, and way above my head, but it doesn't reach me emotionally. Neither does most jazz. Neither does a lot of classical. I seem to have an aversion to too much dissonance.
I'm like the emperor in 'Amadeus:' "Too many notes."
Played 'Bobby Brown' at a concert once. Didn't know there'd be kiddies in the audience.
Yes, Zappa was very good at what he did. With the exception to tripping on acid, listening to 'Just Another Band From L.A.,' and giggling a lot (waa-waa-waa, nice laydee!), Zappa doesn't do a lot for me emotionally. I listened to that album whilst not under any influence, and it bored me. I have it, and haven't listened to it through since 1983 or so. Same with 'Fillmore East.' He's clever, and way above my head, but it doesn't reach me emotionally. Neither does most jazz. Neither does a lot of classical. I seem to have an aversion to too much dissonance.
I'm like the emperor in 'Amadeus:' "Too many notes."
Played 'Bobby Brown' at a concert once. Didn't know there'd be kiddies in the audience.
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