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Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Tue Apr 14, 2015 6:16 pm

without a real guitar hehehe, i dunno if shreddage can do this as im no guitarplayer. what would you recommend or is this not possible to play in a vst + effects?

03:55 min
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzevLN1mWU

Gonga · Post by **Gonga** » Tue Apr 14, 2015 6:54 pm

It's a nice smooth distorted sound with a pluck attack, portamento and a bit of tonal expression (pedal?) that can bring out high octave overtones. If I were going to try to do this sound I'd use a VA and use a pedal to filter the higher overtones...run it through a bit of distortion. Not that hard imo. It sounds quite a bit like the analog stuff I was doing in 1976 with my Roland SH1000, an MXR Distortion Plus and a Morley wah pedal. Who did this?

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:55 pm

the 'high octave overtones' are so consistent when they happen that it probably is an octaver pedal. There's nothing there that can't be sussed with say 'Shreddage' if you have the right tone, which isn't really unusual.

b15fliptop · Post by **b15fliptop** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:02 am

Not an octave pedal, but a Whammy pedal. There is one available in Revalver (Wham!) and Amplitube (Wharmonator).

kbaccki · Post by **kbaccki** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:36 am

+1 whammy pedal... there's also this freebie... http://audiorammer.com/site/?q=freetort ... distortion

Been a while since I used those old Freetortion freebies, so don't know what compatibility is like... worth a download...

Gonga · Post by **Gonga** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 1:10 pm

The old school approach was to double the main osc with a second osc 2 octaves higher. Filter this with a wah pedal (bandpass filter!) to give the patch a "voice" while riding the pedal in the low-mid region (ala Zappa) and when you push the pedal down it brings out the 2nd osc, er, I mean feedback

Parduz · Post by **Parduz** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:25 pm

I'm also interested in this particular argument.
When there was not VSTs, and my music computer was an Atari Mega STE, i had a Yamaha FB-01 and a Viscount EFX-1 only to emulate distorted guitars. The multieffect had a premade effect-chain (delay, chorus, overdrive, distortion and reverb -not sure in what order) which with some tweak and by using some FB01 bass patches gave me a good range of hard and soft guitars to play (still in the range of a fully distorted guidar, no "natural" sounds). Low velocity notes gave me a good "palm muted" effect, high notes had a believable "feedback", power chords sounded full and "round" (well, at least for my amateur needs).
In this modern era i have tried sooooooo much to obtain the same result without success. Using a lot of VSTs, sometime the sound is too grit, more often just bland and dull (the "secret" for a distortion sound that does'nt sound like a GM soundfont seems to be in the sound source "moving").

If someone here could pick up a free synth and free effects and build a good example it would be an invaluable help

Gonga · Post by **Gonga** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:00 pm

What synth do you use Parduz?

Parduz · Post by **Parduz** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:53 pm

Gonga wrote:What synth do you use Parduz?

For my guitar emulation i've tried everything: from the 3xOSC in FLStudio to OXE (a FM synth), and a bunch of VA synths. Not counting the instane amount of free guitar-amp/pedals/multieffect VSTs.
Sure, FM synthesis is not my best skill (so i'm not sure if i could have better results with more clever designed sounds), still i have not found anything as good as it was. I plan to do some experiment with DEXED: being a DX7 emulator i have hundreds of ready sysex patches to try. But i'm not so confident.... really i don't know why the hardware was sounding so good.... perhaps it was thanks to the DA/AD conversion between the two object....
Also, i'm not a guitarrist, so i could miss some very important point in the effect section. I learnt that the gating/compression part is the one that gives "body" to muted notes, but i'm not mastering the process.

If your question was because you liked to try to get the sound from the same synth i use, then pick any one freeware you would like.

- As talking about sounds is pretty futile, here i have a sample of what i'd like to obtain.
It was a sort of "memo", so it was not really meant to be listened from someone else, and now it's sampled from a 25 years old audiocasette, so pls be patient

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Still, the "body", the "fat" of the fake guitar is there and is what i miss.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/u6n3gg6htx8f0 ... n.mp3?dl=0

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 7:59 pm

Well, I get something else from "Wham!" and my experience with Octaver is, that's one of two basic things you get, the other being look at it from the perspective of creating a bass octave. Not saying 'Wham!' won't get it but so far it seems more diffuse than the example given.
Interesting as I believe the case in the OP is a synth guy and it isn't even guitar. It would be easier to trot out Shreddage and the appropriate stomp box, but I understand wanting to get the chops together to emulate it with synthesis. Not my metier with synths, tho.

Gonga · Post by **Gonga** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:13 pm

Who is this? This is an FM synth? Reminds me of Jan Hammer's DX7 stuff he did in the late 80s using a distorted "Jazz Guitar" patch.

He always went back to using an analog with hard sync pedal sweep. That's what I use for an expressive distorted guitar sound. Here's a piece with the sync sweep (U-He DIVA) and my Yamaha TX-802 "Jazz Guitar." Let me know if either of these interests you. I might have a software solution for you if you want that DX sound in software.

https://soundcloud.com/dan-ling/time-out

Parduz · Post by **Parduz** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:04 pm

Gonga wrote:Who is this? This is an FM synth?

Is this a question for me?

Gonga · Post by **Gonga** » Sat Apr 18, 2015 8:41 pm

Yes, my post was a response to yours.

Parduz · Post by **Parduz** » Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:31 am

Gonga wrote:Yes, my post was a response to yours.

Oh, then sorry for not have been clear enough

As i tried to explain in that post, what you hear was my FB01, using a couple of bass presets, and a Viscount EFX-1 (a MIDI multieffect unit which had a guitar effect chain).
That's the sound i desperatly try to reproduce with modern VSTs without success.

Gonga · Post by **Gonga** » Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:39 pm

Do either of the "guitar sounds" in my piece interest you? They really are facsimiles of the two best-known "guitar" sounds used by Jan Hammer. I know how to get both of these sounds in vsts, but the DX-type sound is tough to do. You need to use the freeware DXulator to convert DX patches to sfz files, which can then be played in an sfz player (also freeware). This sounds better than anything you can do with NI's FM vsts. Let me know. Both of these are very expressive.

how to get this 80s lead guitar and playing?