KVR Audio

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:18 pm

wavesfactory wrote:More information, audio demos and free version here: http://plugins.wavesfactory.com

You might want to change that...a demo is not the same as a "free version".......

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:19 pm

wavesfactory wrote:I'm curious to know what would you think that it's a fair price for TrackSpacer. We are really concerned about our prices (our sample libraries are €9.95), so this is really a serious issue for us.

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20€ intro
29€ endprice

grtz

chokehold · Post by **chokehold** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:37 pm

wavesfactory wrote:our sample libraries are €9.95

...and I bought some of them because of that price.
Getting 800MB+ timpani and 1.7GB+ brush drums libraries for just about 10€ each... WOW!
That's a price and an offering to be beaten by others yet.

So it's rather surprising that you should ask such a high price for a plugin with only one functionality.

79€ will get me v1 of iZotope Alloy in a stock clearance, which could do a lot more for me than just one thing. Granted, the "one thing" which TrackSpacer does isn't very present in other developers' selections of plugins available today, but I don't think it's worth that much money either.

I do appreciate what you've done, certainly.

You've noticed a quite unpopulated "plugin niche" and made the effort of involving a respected programmer or programming team, all in order to give something to others that could/would make their lives easier.
That's very respectable!

I'm just saying... it's not worth even the 59€ intro price to me.

You see, in Reaper I'd create a signal routing and FX chain which roughly does what the plugin does in about 20 seconds. Loading your plugin would take away 5-10 seconds of that and save some clicking. That's all.

In other words: it would be a helper rather than a blessing, so I don't see myself paying for a blessing if a helper's all I get. I'm too broke for that much charity.

In the end, I think that you should ask a price for it that you deem appropriate.
I don't think you should give in to people on the Internet crying for a lower price (like I am), simply because they'd also be doing that if the price tag was 5€.

If you think it's worth 79€ because so much of your time and money went into creating it, then stick to that price. Waves and others have done the same with their excellent plugins for decades, that's why their software is regarded as somewhat 'premium'.
(That some of Waves' algorhithms have become outdated over time is beside the point here.)

Anyway, whichever way you decide to go with the pricing, I wish you all the best and a lot of further success with your plugin. Even if this first one might not end up as successful as you may have hoped, for whatever reason - don't let it discourage you! You seem to have a good sense for what "the market" may need, so just keep on thinking and creating!

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:59 pm

The price is fine, stop being cheap gits!

dexterbella · Post by **dexterbella** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:27 pm

I'd definitely be interested in this plugin but it's about twice what I'd be prepared to pay for it.

Spitfire31 · Post by **Spitfire31** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:28 pm

Amberience wrote:The price is fine, stop being cheap gits!

If it's fine with you, good for you! That's your view and you're perfectly entitled to express it.

But it doesn't give you a carte blanche license for name-calling.

/Joachim

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:00 pm

Spitfire31 wrote: But it doesn't give you a carte blanche license for name-calling.
/Joachim

Maybe not, but you'd have to have pretty thin skin to define 'cheap gits' as name calling!

Ultimately, it's the first thing you see on music tech forums - complaints about the price. Everyone wants something for nothing, and they want to feel like they've won some perceived battle against corporate powers. Whether you think it is worth it is completely besides the point - the dev sets the price, and you decide if it is worth it to you. If not, don't buy it.

Comparing to other plugin prices is simple minded, and ignores that everyone has their own respective business model.

Sorry if that offends, but I calls it like I sees it.

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:09 pm

Amberience wrote: Whether you think it is worth it is completely besides the point

Not to the developer it's not....whether people think it's worth it or not has everything to with sales.

I'm not saying I think it's over priced but if enough people do then sales will be dismal at best........

dexterbella · Post by **dexterbella** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:10 pm

Amberience wrote: Whether you think it is worth it is completely besides the point

The dev actually asked for people's opinion on the price - if not, I would not have commented at all.

maxxxter · Post by **maxxxter** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:23 pm

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chokehold · Post by **chokehold** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:29 pm

maxxxter wrote:This plugin takes this same idea, does it in a half-arsed way and costs a lot more.

So you don't like plugins that are modeled after real hardware, such as compressors or amp modelers?

Spitfire31 · Post by **Spitfire31** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:31 pm

Amberience wrote:
Spitfire31 wrote: But it doesn't give you a carte blanche license for name-calling.
/Joachim
Maybe not, but you'd have to have pretty thin skin to define 'cheap gits' as name calling!

Ultimately, it's the first thing you see on music tech forums - complaints about the price. Everyone wants something for nothing, and they want to feel like they've won some perceived battle against corporate powers. Whether you think it is worth it is completely besides the point - the dev sets the price, and you decide if it is worth it to you. If not, don't buy it.

Comparing to other plugin prices is simple minded, and ignores that everyone has their own respective business model.

Sorry if that offends, but I calls it like I sees it.

Pointing out to a newcomer in the plug-in business how roughly comparable plug-ins are priced is not what I'd call simple minded (here we go again).

I recently bought (a license for) Zynaptiq Unveil at almost 400€. I haven't seen any whining on Gearslutz or anywhere else. Why? Because the price for this unique tool is perceived as reasonable, in view of it being unique in solving a problem that previously didn't have any solution (removing reverb in a transparent manner) and obviously the result of highly specialised research.

Now, the way I see TrackSpacer is in a market segment populated by the likes of SKNote, ValhallaDSP and ToneBoosters as a few examples. That is why I agree with others that TrackSpace is probably a bit overpriced.

The marketplace will show if we're simple minded or not.

/Joachim

Aiynzahev · Post by **Aiynzahev** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:31 pm

Amberience wrote:The price is fine, stop being cheap gits!

lol

I don't think the space-boy plug-in is just as good. I demoed it last night and couldn't even figure out how to make it work, even after reading the manual. It's a lot more complicated and has a much less attractive GUI.

Trackspacer is nice to look at. clean and simple. It worked exactly how I expected it to and sounded great. Those are the kinds of tools I want to buy.

Having said that for a plug-in this simple it is a tad bit steep.

I would have said $39 intro and $59 or so full price. I think this is more of a cheap and cheerful plug-in that everyone has just because it's affordable and useful.

Just my thoughts. I'd need to know for sure about VST3 before I bought it though.

maxxxter · Post by **maxxxter** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:33 pm

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maxxxter · Post by **maxxxter** » Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:37 pm

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TrackSpacer - First plugin by Wavesfactory