Is there any equalizer with a zero delay feedback filters?
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1565 posts since 1 Aug, 2006 from Italy
Hello to everybody, this is just a curiosity of mine: is there any equalizer which uses zero delay feedback filters? I know this is important in virtual analog filters, especally with high resonance, but I'm wondering if this applies / makes sense also to equalizers (which are a bunch of filters) and if there is any actual real-world example.
Thank You.
Thank You.
- KVRAF
- 9451 posts since 17 Sep, 2002 from Gothenburg Sweden
Do eq filters use feedback ?
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- KVRAF
- 5717 posts since 8 Jun, 2009
They certainly do. Any digital EQ or filter is basically a big feedback delay as yer two main algorithms are the FIR or IIR filter.jupiter8 wrote:Do eq filters use feedback ?
As resonance usually isn't meant to be that obvious in EQs, I'm not sure how relevant zero-delay feedback is, although I guess it might help in modelling transistor-based analogue EQs.
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- KVRAF
- 1580 posts since 22 Apr, 2011 from The House of Zaid
can anybody provide an audio example of the same filter with zero feedback delay enabled and disabled to see what difference in sound quality it makes when all other aspects of the filter are equal (other than the zero feedback delay part)
Has anybody ever really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
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- KVRAF
- 5717 posts since 8 Jun, 2009
The different modes in Diva should be enough to provide a clue to that. As I understand it, the primary difference in those modes is how much error the feedback calculation tolerates, so the draft modes behave fairly similarly to a conventional digital filter. You can switch between zero-feedback and conventional filters in DiscoDSP's Corona and the difference is quite dramatic. But other things may be different between those filters.@midnight wrote:can anybody provide an audio example of the same filter with zero feedback delay enabled and disabled to see what difference in sound quality it makes when all other aspects of the filter are equal (other than the zero feedback delay part)
- u-he
- 28042 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
In Diva, "draft" and "fast" use identical code for the filters at identical oversampling rates etc. The only difference is, "draft" uses a conventional 1-sample-delay while "fast" uses a zero delay feedback solver. The difference is audible with all 4 filter topologies (ladder, cascade, svf, sallen key) once a bit of resonance comes in.
- KVRian
- 1091 posts since 8 Feb, 2012 from South - Africa
Interisting Q. Where ZDF really shines - is when it's being modulated (and high res - which isn't really used in general eqs), so if the EQ is static - I don't see much use for it. In "analog" moddeled EQs i.e. - with non-linearities - it might make some small difference, but the non-linearities in EQ are generally also quite low & subtle - so I have my doubts. In synths - they rock
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- KVRAF
- 1580 posts since 22 Apr, 2011 from The House of Zaid
Nope.v1o wrote:Maybe UAD and Softube stuff?
0df is braaaand new stuff
all previous filters are garbage
Has anybody ever really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
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- KVRian
- 528 posts since 17 Apr, 2009 from portland oregon
Which is exactly why all music produced digitally before 0df sounds like rubbish@midnight wrote:Nope.v1o wrote:Maybe UAD and Softube stuff?
0df is braaaand new stuff
all previous filters are garbage
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- KVRAF
- 9569 posts since 16 Dec, 2002
Well, yours doesquayquay17 wrote:Which is exactly why all music produced digitally before 0df sounds like rubbish@midnight wrote:Nope.v1o wrote:Maybe UAD and Softube stuff?
0df is braaaand new stuff
all previous filters are garbage
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- KVRian
- 528 posts since 17 Apr, 2009 from portland oregon
It's true!VariKusBrainZ wrote:Well, yours doesquayquay17 wrote:
Which is exactly why all music produced digitally before 0df sounds like rubbish
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- KVRAF
- 10260 posts since 19 Feb, 2004 from Paris
XIls-Lab Le Masque delay has 0df filters, inherited from the Synthix synthesizer.
For other VST effects having odf I think The Drop has some iirc ( But it might be better to verify that with the dev, or in the threads related to this filter VST )
LtZ
For other VST effects having odf I think The Drop has some iirc ( But it might be better to verify that with the dev, or in the threads related to this filter VST )
LtZ
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- KVRAF
- 10260 posts since 19 Feb, 2004 from Paris
No its a Delay. There are very very few Vst effects with 0df I think. So this can eventually give the OP some clues about the benefit they can bring.Kriminal wrote:Lotuzia wrote:XIls-Lab Le Masque delay has 0df filters
Its not an equaliser.
Some other non EQ 0df units has been mentioned in this thread btw if you noticed, without you commenting them...
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