Too bad Sonimus!
- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 178 posts since 9 Feb, 2017
Hi there,
I put a couple of Sonimus plugs on sale in this forum and I found a buyer for both. The two of us have contacted the developers to start the license transfer but no replays at all. We opened two different tickets on their site. No answer. Now the buyer moved on and I lost the sell.
On their FAQ they clearly allow transfers but there's no explanation of how to pay the 20% fees to them.
This is really disturbing. No attention at all to old and new customers.
There's no wonder so many people looks at warez softwares.
Just to let you know...
Finally a mention to Quinto Sardo, Sknote owner, who's always very kind and doesn't require any fees for transfer (or NFR amenity)
I put a couple of Sonimus plugs on sale in this forum and I found a buyer for both. The two of us have contacted the developers to start the license transfer but no replays at all. We opened two different tickets on their site. No answer. Now the buyer moved on and I lost the sell.
On their FAQ they clearly allow transfers but there's no explanation of how to pay the 20% fees to them.
This is really disturbing. No attention at all to old and new customers.
There's no wonder so many people looks at warez softwares.
Just to let you know...
Finally a mention to Quinto Sardo, Sknote owner, who's always very kind and doesn't require any fees for transfer (or NFR amenity)
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- KVRAF
- 3508 posts since 12 May, 2011
Software must be the only time that the original seller wants a cut of the second-hand sale. Imagine Ford insisting on a 15% fee when you buy a second-hand car...
- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 178 posts since 9 Feb, 2017
...Or a second-hand one that becomes NFR!Googly Smythe wrote:Software must be the only time that the original seller wants a cut of the second-hand sale. Imagine Ford insisting on a 15% fee when you buy a second-hand car...
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- KVRian
- 1355 posts since 27 Oct, 2009
It has been said many times, that with software you're not buying a product, but the license to use it. So you're basically selling a second hand license. You can never own or resell the software itself, unless you buy the source code and the right to distribute licenses.Googly Smythe wrote:Software must be the only time that the original seller wants a cut of the second-hand sale. Imagine Ford insisting on a 15% fee when you buy a second-hand car...
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- KVRist
- 414 posts since 19 Sep, 2016 from Wonderland
Only because Ford doesn't have to put any effort in it.Googly Smythe wrote:Software must be the only time that the original seller wants a cut of the second-hand sale. Imagine Ford insisting on a 15% fee when you buy a second-hand car...
I never make mistakes; I just blame others.
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- KVRAF
- 1893 posts since 12 Mar, 2004
Actually this is why most EULA are not worth the time it takes to read them, they are not legally binding, all this buying a licence nonsense is total trash.izonin wrote:It has been said many times, that with software you're not buying a product, but the license to use it. So you're basically selling a second hand license. You can never own or resell the software itself, unless you buy the source code and the right to distribute licenses.Googly Smythe wrote:Software must be the only time that the original seller wants a cut of the second-hand sale. Imagine Ford insisting on a 15% fee when you buy a second-hand car...
The wording needs to be changed to rental or lease for this to be binding, but no developer wants to put the words rent or lease on their sales page do they.
There is currently a massive legal bubble around software development that is stretched to maximum and will soon burst, it wont effect what you pay or use, but you will no longer be saying "I bought X"
Duh
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- KVRAF
- 4711 posts since 26 Nov, 2015 from Way Downunder
I bought Sweetone from someone in the Buy & Sell about a year ago - it took several weeks and a bunch of email reminders (from the seller) to get it actioned. Even SKnote transfers have been smoother for me
- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 178 posts since 9 Feb, 2017
So I have to add Sonimus to the list of developers who make great sounding plugins but dealing with very little care of their customers and potential ones.MogwaiBoy wrote:I bought Sweetone from someone in the Buy & Sell about a year ago - it took several weeks and a bunch of email reminders (from the seller) to get it actioned. Even SKnote transfers have been smoother for me
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- KVRian
- 641 posts since 26 May, 2008 from Iceland.
I'm in the same situation with Waldorf, thinking this might be because of Musikmesse and Superbooth being held so close to each other.
"People are stupid" Gegard Mousasi.
- KVRian
- 1169 posts since 24 Feb, 2012
It's not that easy. When you buy a software license for perpetual use, you own the license (not the product itself of course). And you, and only YOU own the license. It's your propriety, the software seller really has no rights left over this specific license, it's really yours. And you can resell it anytime, without any fee.izonin wrote:It has been said many times, that with software you're not buying a product, but the license to use it. So you're basically selling a second hand license.Googly Smythe wrote:Software must be the only time that the original seller wants a cut of the second-hand sale. Imagine Ford insisting on a 15% fee when you buy a second-hand car...
If you are from the EU or the seller is from the EU in particular, these practices are straight invalid (and extremely shady!). I'm also aware of more than one case were US software companies had to open gates for license transfer (for perpetual licenses), but don't know the details.
Quoted from from here: http://www.lexology.com/library/detail. ... 8afd8b3380Consequences
This decision does not mean only that software developers cannot prevent second hand sales of their software by their European licensees. It means software licence agreements and all their terms and conditions (not just the one prohibiting transfer) can be ignored by European courts if the licence period is indefinite, and probably even if it is tied to the lengthy period of copyright in Europe - 70 years after death of last surviving programmer. Such a licence will be regarded as a simple sale and sales of personal property cannot be tagged with conditions on how the property can be used.
This means, for example, that if a licence for software to be downloaded has an indefinite or long period then the usual restrictions or obligations placed on a licensee as a condition for granting the licence such as number of servers, server location, confidentiality, security, field of use, termination for breach will all be unenforceable.
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120 ... cant.shtml
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