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Harry_HH · Post by **Harry_HH** » Tue Sep 26, 2017 8:47 pm

do_androids_dream wrote:
Harry_HH wrote:Could someone condence the differencies between Waves...

L1 (anniversary ed.)
L2
L3-16
L3-LL

from the user /end-result (limting, maximizing quality) point of view
L1 - Decent channel limiter.. outdated as far as being a master limiter really - unless everyone is happy to go to -13 LUFS masters (I wish..) in which case it would be perfectly fine on the master!

L2 - Selling point was the auto release that L1 lacked - now L1 has auto release so not really sure what the skinny is here.

L3 - Multiband limiter. Imo a flawed/bad concept that's hard to get a good result from. L3-16 has 16 bands instead of the usual 5 of the regular L3. L3-LL is simply a minimum phase version (L3 is linear phase) which means it has Low Latency but is somewhat unusable due to phase problems at crossover points. Not a fan at all of this limiter.

I know that all comes across as a bit negative but that's my take.

Thank your - you didn´t give a very good overall picture of the these. I don´t own any Waves limiter, haven´t even demoed one, but I know that many swear still for the L2.

Aloysius · Post by **Aloysius** » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:22 pm

You can has the default Legacy look if you never update again.

Rockatansky · Post by **Rockatansky** » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:25 pm

Aloysius wrote:You can has the default Legacy look if you never update again.

Yeah, apparently my installation yesterday was already "contaminated" with the new GUIs and I just didn't notice because I didn't check. When I inserted one just now, up came the SteamPunkCandy GUI. Luckily Reaper will let me create default presets for each plugin so that I can "force" the old GUI back.

Aloysius · Post by **Aloysius** » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:32 pm

Good thinkin'. Might do that myself in Ableton Live.

pheeleep · Post by **pheeleep** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 4:16 pm

L1 has a new auto release feature, just like the L2 has had since it's inception, it seems.

MogwaiBoy · Post by **MogwaiBoy** » Wed Sep 27, 2017 6:13 pm

I wonder if the new L1 oversamples differently based on your native DAW samplerate?

Would be keen to see some aliasing test graphs...

do_androids_dream · Post by **do_androids_dream** » Mon Oct 02, 2017 9:55 am

Harry_HH wrote:
Thank your - you didn´t give a very good overall picture of the these. I don´t own any Waves limiter, haven´t even demoed one, but I know that many swear still for the L2.

Waves best limiter is actually the one in WLM Plus - I use it quite a lot.

simon.a.billington · Post by **simon.a.billington** » Mon Oct 02, 2017 1:16 pm

do_androids_dream wrote:
Harry_HH wrote:
Thank your - you didn´t give a very good overall picture of the these. I don´t own any Waves limiter, haven´t even demoed one, but I know that many swear still for the L2.
Waves best limiter is actually the one in WLM Plus - I use it quite a lot.

I use that too actually.

I've got it on the end of everything as my ISP, although I don't often bounce out so close to 0dB. I like to use it to tun my roughs through until I've decided what I'm going to put on the master bus. I also like to leave it there as a safety net, so I can use any limiter I want without having to worry about overs.

The metering comes in handy too.

Waves Q10, L1 and Audiotrack 25th Anniversary Ed