KVR Audio

Elektronisch · Post by **Elektronisch** » Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:41 pm

No theyr not scaming, but god damn theyr WUP does make it look like its a scam. On top of that with every version update they do not allow previous version download from theyr waves central only offering to upgrade.

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:46 pm

jens wrote:
thecontrolcentre wrote:
jens wrote:Well done blaming Waves instead of Apple.
Where did he do that?
For instance in the thread title?

(jeez - can't believe you're really asking this )

Jeez. I wasn't talking about the OP. I presumed your reply was to Rob Lee's comments above it. He didn't start the thread and didn't apportion any blame.

BTW I agree with your point

Blaster · Post by **Blaster** » Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:36 pm

Elektronisch wrote:No theyr not scaming, but god damn theyr WUP does make it look like its a scam. On top of that with every version update they do not allow previous version download from theyr waves central only offering to upgrade.

https://www.waves.com/downloads. Go to legacy versions. You can download starting from version 6 (2009).

stacev · Post by **stacev** » Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:53 pm

Formally it is not a scam. Like Crysonic weren't technically scammers also. But Waves with their always 90% discounts, convoluted WUP, crappy Central/install/uninstall, restrictive secondhand resell policies, "use on one computer" tricks etc. will soon become new Crysonic (if not yet).

mgw38 · Post by **mgw38** » Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:03 pm

imrae wrote:
mgw38 wrote:
imrae wrote:I refer back to my point that users shouldn't have to put in extra work to get good value.
Every purchasing decision requires some work in order to get the best value.
Good suppliers help you make those choices instead of dangling bad ones in front of you.

Waves is not a supplier, they are a developer. If you go to everyplugin.com and ask them about your WUP situation they will find the absolute best option for you. I've done that multiple times.

Elektronisch · Post by **Elektronisch** » Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:52 pm

Blaster wrote:
Elektronisch wrote:No theyr not scaming, but god damn theyr WUP does make it look like its a scam. On top of that with every version update they do not allow previous version download from theyr waves central only offering to upgrade.
https://www.waves.com/downloads. Go to legacy versions. You can download starting from version 6 (2009).

I know you can, but there are people who are not so "thoughtful", yes it might sound weird, but there are and instead of downloading just use the upgrade option

In the end from user expierience its still not very nice from waves not to offer download via wavescentral

jens · Post by **jens** » Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:25 pm

thecontrolcentre wrote:
jens wrote:
thecontrolcentre wrote:
jens wrote:Well done blaming Waves instead of Apple.
Where did he do that?
For instance in the thread title?

(jeez - can't believe you're really asking this )
Jeez. I wasn't talking about the OP. I presumed your reply was to Rob Lee's comments above it. He didn't start the thread and didn't apportion any blame.

BTW I agree with your point

Jeez - my bad - I somehow managed to confuse one with the other...

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:30 pm

jens wrote:
thecontrolcentre wrote:
jens wrote:
thecontrolcentre wrote:
jens wrote:Well done blaming Waves instead of Apple.
Where did he do that?
For instance in the thread title?

(jeez - can't believe you're really asking this )
Jeez. I wasn't talking about the OP. I presumed your reply was to Rob Lee's comments above it. He didn't start the thread and didn't apportion any blame.

BTW I agree with your point
Jeez - my bad - I somehow managed to confuse one with the other...

no sweat.

alexandredesroches · Post by **alexandredesroches** » Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:36 pm

Waves is so much money centered that it is getting ridiculous

MogwaiBoy · Post by **MogwaiBoy** » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:06 pm

mgw38 wrote: - Explore upgrade options. It is quite often cheaper to upgrade than to WUP. Especially now is a good time since Gold and Horizon are deeply discounted.

Bingo! How many times have you seen people mention this. It's part of the 'Customer Journey' and you are fully being manipulated but somehow still feel like you discovered a sneaky bargain.

And then re-WUPing bundles is even more pricey, so up the upgrade ladder you go. Clever.

martinjuenke · Post by **martinjuenke** » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:13 pm

I‘m quite happy that I left this crazy WAVES world two years ago. This whole money grabbing behaviour of them is not worth it to support. And there are enough better alternatives.

Mushy Mushy · Post by **Mushy Mushy** » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:25 pm

MogwaiBoy wrote:
mgw38 wrote: - Explore upgrade options. It is quite often cheaper to upgrade than to WUP. Especially now is a good time since Gold and Horizon are deeply discounted.
Bingo! How many times have you seen people mention this. It's part of the 'Customer Journey' and you are fully being manipulated but somehow still feel like you discovered a sneaky bargain.

And then re-WUPing bundles is even more pricey, so up the upgrade ladder you go. Clever.

Yes and no. WUP is capped at $225.

simon.a.billington · Post by **simon.a.billington** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:51 am

jens wrote:
LeVzi wrote: I've never been against paying to update if I feel it's justified. But the difference for the same damn plugin same revision, just one was bought 3 years ago over 1 year ago isn't right. And that is what im getting at.
Well if you had regularly updated these plugins, you would have enjoyed the service of unpaid updates for three years (vs. one for the other plugin). So that's what they charge for - and I can't see what's wrong with that. At the very least I think this can hardly be called "a scam".

Yeah I have noticed a few people fell into this category myself. One was a V9.2 user, and they were giving away V9.3 free for quite a long time. But now the user is stuck with pre 64-bit plugins which won’t run inside most hosts or macOS Mojave, when it is released.

Thankfully I’m on V9.9.x, so it works fine inside Logic 10.4.x and Mojave shouldn’t be an issue for me either.

It pays to stay on top of your updates people.

jens · Post by **jens** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:06 pm

What do you mean? Waves support 64bit since V9.0 which came out in 2012...

Lesha · Post by **Lesha** » Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:15 pm

martinjuenke wrote:I‘m quite happy that I left this crazy WAVES world two years ago. This whole money grabbing behaviour of them is not worth it to support. And there are enough better alternatives.

I agree, there are better alternatives from so many great devs and small companies.
I've never had one, and don't plan to ever own a Waves product.

The Waves Update Plan scam