Gamma-UT wrote:It's going to be a whole lot of work to find out it won't have any beneficial effect or at least not the one the OP probably expects. If you have 65Hz from a kick drum vs 65Hz from a bass the brain will register those as being part of the same sound unless there's a dramatic difference in the volume envelope over a wider range of frequencies. Chances are the brain will hear it as that part of the kick or bass being extended rather than as one instrument taking over.
Sidechaining works because it emphasises the differences in attack and volume envelope between competing instruments across a large enough swathe of the frequency spectrum to be picked up by the brain. When sounds overlap in such a detailed way as the way the OP describes, temporal and frequency masking effects take over and one sound will continue to dominate psychoacoustically even though it's physically ducked out.
Dark techno takes advantage of this masking to build those kick+rumble basslines.
Good answer I han't thought of it like that. I think you may be right. Thanks for all the replies everyone!
thecontrolcentre wrote:dark water wrote:^^ looks good in many ways TCC, but can it do the bit about the OP's active frequencies (if so, you'll save me about 20 minutes work trying to experiment!):
''It's like I want to sidechain a dynamic EQ to an 808 and have it duck out just the active frequencies from the kick.''
Sorry. I don't know ... sidechaining is not my strong point Was just pointing out Live's Multiband Dynamics Effect to the OP. Seems Live's built-in effects are often disregarded by users ...
Yes I agree but I am aware of Live's multiband plugin. The problem is it can't select nearly small enough amount of frequencies that I'm going for. I tried it out.
I think Gamma UT is probably right. This doesn't seem to be a very common technique at all. Which makes me think it's not worth all effort it takes to get this sort of a setup running. I wanted to be able to have absolutely no clashing frequencies in my low end and have my instruments communicate so as one takes up certain frequencies, the other one stops taking those frequencies. But perhaps doing it to this extent is just overkill