Years of experience. Honestly, loads of different ways to achieve loudness. A little here, a little there, it's like mixing spices, and you can get it loud and relatively transparent. If you try to do it all with one process, it's gonna sound like arse.I was wondering if any of you knew how professionals master their track so loud.
How do I master my tracks as loud as commercial EDM tracks?
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Hermetech Mastering Hermetech Mastering https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=7418
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- 1619 posts since 30 May, 2003 from Milan, Italy
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Aroused by JarJar Aroused by JarJar https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=191505
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- 1048 posts since 16 Oct, 2008
Robin Strand, it seems to me that your mixes sound very good and could be made about as "loud" as you or anyone else would like them.
Have you tried keeping your kicks and basses, everything in the low range, tightly mono? I've found that while stereo action in the low range can sound really good in ambiences and so on, it's one of the first things to break into ugly pieces when you're pushing volume.
Something I've noticed about mastering tutorials in magazines and YouTube- they approach a song as if it is the same throughout. But songs change. So how can you have, say, the exact same multiband compression settings throughout the whole song and expect them to be ideal for every different part of the song? So that means automating parameters or splitting your tunes into sections (easier for you because it's your music).
Those are just some general universal suggestions which you probably already know.
Have you tried keeping your kicks and basses, everything in the low range, tightly mono? I've found that while stereo action in the low range can sound really good in ambiences and so on, it's one of the first things to break into ugly pieces when you're pushing volume.
Something I've noticed about mastering tutorials in magazines and YouTube- they approach a song as if it is the same throughout. But songs change. So how can you have, say, the exact same multiband compression settings throughout the whole song and expect them to be ideal for every different part of the song? So that means automating parameters or splitting your tunes into sections (easier for you because it's your music).
Those are just some general universal suggestions which you probably already know.
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Aroused by JarJar Aroused by JarJar https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=191505
- KVRian
- 1048 posts since 16 Oct, 2008
I should also note that I don't do EDM and judge my loudness standards by generally "hi-fi" stuff like jazz and film soundtracks and so on. But listening to those I learned something very interesting, which applies to every kind of sound, but is kind of difficult to explain: "fine" stuff tends to sound naturally "louder". For example, recording acoustic stuff with the exact same equipment and instruments but in a proper room with acoustics like an old-fashioned studio (tall ceilings, wooden floor) rather than a bedroom studio and bam, same levels on the meters, but sounds "louder".
Also, there human ear is extremely geared toward the voices and voice-like qualities, and projecting living presences. So anything that makes a sound somehow suggestive of some kind of "being" that's "speaking" (or growling or purring or whatever) is automatically "louder" to us. That's also hard to explain, but if you think about it, it's something everyone knows. We say things like "that's a mean bass" or a "sweet lead".
Just some observations.
Also, there human ear is extremely geared toward the voices and voice-like qualities, and projecting living presences. So anything that makes a sound somehow suggestive of some kind of "being" that's "speaking" (or growling or purring or whatever) is automatically "louder" to us. That's also hard to explain, but if you think about it, it's something everyone knows. We say things like "that's a mean bass" or a "sweet lead".
Just some observations.
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- 2147 posts since 30 Oct, 2006 from Australia, NSW
Keep pushing to get on a good label and let them get it mastered
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- 730 posts since 13 Apr, 2002 from Terra Australis
"How do I make my songs louder" followed by other equally great questions of our time such as: "How can I look like Justin Beiber" and "How can I get 1D to follow me on Twitter".
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- 1793 posts since 9 Apr, 2011
The question of loudness for its own sake might strike you as frivolous, but it's a good way to study how to make audio more efficient and maximize headroom during the mixing phase, in both frequency and dynamics.spirit wrote:"How do I make my songs louder" followed by other equally great questions of our time such as: "How can I look like Justin Beiber" and "How can I get 1D to follow me on Twitter".
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- 4590 posts since 7 Jun, 2012 from Warsaw
I remember reading nice observation on Kim Lajoie's blog. The means to provide incredibly loud and powerful mix are exactly the same that you need to get great dynamic range.
So, instead of protesting against overcompressed tracks, adapt. These qualities are interchangeable. What you want is to get best starting point.
Try to find a way to make overcompressed track not over-compressed on mixing stage. Once you release compressor, you will get very tight and dynamic track.
Well, that's what I did.
So, instead of protesting against overcompressed tracks, adapt. These qualities are interchangeable. What you want is to get best starting point.
Try to find a way to make overcompressed track not over-compressed on mixing stage. Once you release compressor, you will get very tight and dynamic track.
Well, that's what I did.
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Tricky-Loops wrote: (...)someone like Armin van Buuren who claims to make a track in half an hour and all his songs sound somewhat boring(...)
Tricky-Loops wrote: (...)someone like Armin van Buuren who claims to make a track in half an hour and all his songs sound somewhat boring(...)
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How can I make my track infinitely silent ?
Will a gunshot to my head do it ?
Will a gunshot to my head do it ?
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- 34 posts since 16 Mar, 2014
I am not the most complex person. And I can not listen here. But this is pretty simple stuff. You pay no attention to the apple sales people. They said your mix is fine so all you need to do is load your wav into a wave editor and normalise it.