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V0RT3X · Post by **V0RT3X** » Sun Jul 20, 2014 2:49 am

http://productionadvice.co.uk/edm-dynamics/

DJ Warmonger · Post by **DJ Warmonger** » Sun Jul 20, 2014 5:00 am

Well yes, the guy is right in many points.

As to vocals, certainly any vocal samples will work nicely. It's a common trend in trance music to play some chopped sample or jst random voiceover in otheriwse pure electronic tune. I can already tell than the tracks on my Soundcloud which include any vocals get much more likes than these which don't

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As to timing... timing is good of course, but it's alo difficult. For me it's the most difficult part and I can never get the right swing or desired melody I have in mind :O. Playing live is a disaster.

GeckoYamori · Post by **GeckoYamori** » Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:05 am

Yeah, the whole "electronic music sounds better compressed" rebuke isn't a very convincing one. It actually benefits more from great dynamics than other types of music, since you have so much more precise control over things like peaks and transients. I've heard some dubstep specifically tailored for good dynamic range in a good listening setup. Sound porn was an apt way of describing it.

Early to mid 00's Infected Mushroom is also a good showcase of what non-squashed dance music can sound like.

BDeep · Post by **BDeep** » Sun Jul 20, 2014 4:33 pm

I think (over)compression is mainly an "issue" in electronic music of the last few years. In the '00's, stuff like Global Underground and Renaissance (the "old" progressive house), while undoubtedly compressed, sounds pretty good to my ears.

CableChannel · Post by **CableChannel** » Sun Jul 20, 2014 4:39 pm

Whooow, big insights! Use velocity! Sing! Play instruments! Damn, none of that NEVER IN MY LIFE occured to me before!!!!

Hell!!!!!

ThoughtExperiment · Post by **ThoughtExperiment** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:16 pm

CableChannel wrote:Whooow, big insights! Use velocity! Sing! Play instruments! Damn, none of that NEVER IN MY LIFE occured to me before!!!!

Hell!!!!!

Well, good for you but I think the OP's point was that none of these things have occurred to many of the current big names in this field, which is why so much of it is homogenized crap

Mushy Mushy · Post by **Mushy Mushy** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:26 pm

GeckoYamori wrote:Early to mid 00's Infected Mushroom is also a good showcase of what non-squashed dance music can sound like.

The production on 'IM the Supervisor' and 'Vicious Delicious' still blows me away.

tehlord · Post by **tehlord** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:29 pm

Don't forget this guys audience are 17 year olds with a cracked copy of FL running on their Mums laptop.

Arglebargle · Post by **Arglebargle** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:37 pm

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legendCNCD · Post by **legendCNCD** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:04 pm

Too bad the examples are on spotify... one would think you could hear stuff without registering to yet another place

TIMT · Post by **TIMT** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:30 pm

Anybody else find it ironic that the guy is taking a stance against tunes with little dynamic range and sights Justice-Genesis as an example.....

Fair enough it has dynamics per se but they are created from abusing compression,gates etc so it goes against his anti-compression stance

I´ve just recently finished(sort of finished) consulting on an EP for a dude on a big "EDM" label and we managed to achieve a tiny ass dynamic range of about 3db (think knife party LOWDNUSS) and compression has little to do with it (there´s none actually apart from super invisible sidechain)and practically no limiting or distortion of any kind (tape saturation or any of that other gimmicky crap that people have jumped on recently).i think people need to get off their high horse or atleast educate themselves on the matter first before pointing fingers at compression (compression shrinks the dynamic range so that must be responsible for all the super loud stuff out there)is the conclusion that everyone seems to come to but in my years of experience compression is not very good at emulating perceived loudness or an increase in energy for that matter.if you hit a snare at one velocity and then smash the shit out of it it´s still got that same intensity it originally had,just it´s envelope is a little flatter and blocky envelopes have little to do (on their own) with loudness.if anything, you all should be taking an anti sound design stance (with the advent of super shrill formanty leads played in silly high octaves layered with white noise as one recent example) as that is where 40% of the loudness comes from the other 50% being the arrangement and the last 10% being abusing stereo

TIMT

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 6:41 pm

It's also worth noting that compressor don't automatically mean reduced dynamic range. Opening up the attack and having a short release actually means you increase the dynamic range with most compressors (note that some 1176 type compressors and some others have such ridiculously fast attacks, even at maximum settings that they are "squash" machines no matter what you do). The weird thing is, you can actually increase momentary dynamic range (peaks) while still having overall decreased average dynamic range! So yeah, just equaling compressor -> less dynamic range is a gross over simplification which is often told in articles.

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