What sample rate do you work with?
- KVRAF
- 12554 posts since 7 Dec, 2004
Nobody is going to care if you can or can't hear the difference between 44.1k and 48k when you are asked to provide a 48k master but don't have one because you only work in 44.1k.
All I need to do is change the rate to any value I want during render and I get an absolutely perfect render which sounds identical. This however is due to the fact that I do not use plug-ins which are poorly coded and incapable of producing accurate output at varied sample rates.
All I need to do is change the rate to any value I want during render and I get an absolutely perfect render which sounds identical. This however is due to the fact that I do not use plug-ins which are poorly coded and incapable of producing accurate output at varied sample rates.
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- KVRist
- 455 posts since 31 May, 2013 from Space is the Place
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- KVRian
- 574 posts since 26 Aug, 2005 from North California
That's just a popup menu selection unless you work with a sub-par DAW. No big deal. I can't think of myself of any plug-ins today that have such issues, if so email the company and ask for a fix.aciddose wrote:Nobody is going to care if you can or can't hear the difference between 44.1k and 48k when you are asked to provide a 48k master but don't have one because you only work in 44.1k.
All I need to do is change the rate to any value I want during render and I get an absolutely perfect render which sounds identical. This however is due to the fact that I do not use plug-ins which are poorly coded and incapable of producing accurate output at varied sample rates.
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- KVRer
- 4 posts since 20 Dec, 2015
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- KVRian
- 986 posts since 8 Mar, 2009
I'll sometimes render/audition shit out at 96khz or 192khz to get a little closer to accurate audiorate when modulating certain things which have shitty control rates (90% of all vsts then)
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- KVRAF
- 10588 posts since 13 Jun, 2004 from Alberto Balsam
Neither can 99.99% of people who know their limits and are honest with themselves.Jace-BeOS wrote:I can't hear any difference between 44.1/16-bit and higher resolutions.
22.01Khz is well above human hearing response, especially if we are talking about adults who have fired guns or gone to electronic or rock concerts. 96 db is respectable dynamic range for contemporary music.
I would be cautious here. Lossy audio codecs have come a very long way. I was blown away when I learned that the In Rainbows MP3s were 160 kbps, and codecs are even better now than they were then. LAME V0 is a force to be reckoned with.Jace-BeOS wrote:I also hate compression. Most people can't even tell. They listen to shitty YouTube video songs, 128kbps MP3s (often both through shitty laptop or even tiny mono cell phone speakers), worse via streaming music services, and they still listen to poorly tuned radio reception... and it doesn't bother them. We've gone backwards in audio quality since the Internet came along and only we music making freaks have noticed.
Assuming a human hearing range ceiling of 20khz, it gives AA filters almost 3 times the range to work with.ksandvik wrote:41 or 48 is no difference really unless you are a bat.
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- KVRAF
- 7540 posts since 7 Aug, 2003 from San Francisco Bay Area
I record a lot of external hardware and also bounce my plugins to audio as I go. I do a lot of sound for video, where a 48k 24 bit file is required. What sucks is when I discover halfway through that my DAW is accidentally set to 44/16.ksandvik wrote:That's just a popup menu selection unless you work with a sub-par DAW. No big deal. I can't think of myself of any plug-ins today that have such issues, if so email the company and ask for a fix.aciddose wrote:Nobody is going to care if you can or can't hear the difference between 44.1k and 48k when you are asked to provide a 48k master but don't have one because you only work in 44.1k.
All I need to do is change the rate to any value I want during render and I get an absolutely perfect render which sounds identical. This however is due to the fact that I do not use plug-ins which are poorly coded and incapable of producing accurate output at varied sample rates.
Incomplete list of my gear: 1/8" audio input jack.
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- KVRist
- 129 posts since 16 Mar, 2013 from United States
I have found that whether or not a synth sounds better at 96kHz is a crapshoot. Sometimes it does, sometimes it most definitely doesn't. For example I was using a plucked string simulator in Reaktor recently and decided to switch the sample rate to 96kHz - it sounded horrible. And I did the same with a Z3TA+2 pad one time - it went from sounding warm to sounding scratchy.
- KVRian
- 581 posts since 21 Feb, 2005 from Upper Left USA
Exactly my experiences. Sometimes you can hear a difference between 44 and 96, but if you step back and flip back and forth between the two files blind, often times I still prefer the 44.
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- KVRAF
- 7383 posts since 17 Feb, 2005
Aliasing in synths (more commonly) isn't always a bad thing.sharke wrote:I have found that whether or not a synth sounds better at 96kHz is a crapshoot. Sometimes it does, sometimes it most definitely doesn't. For example I was using a plucked string simulator in Reaktor recently and decided to switch the sample rate to 96kHz - it sounded horrible. And I did the same with a Z3TA+2 pad one time - it went from sounding warm to sounding scratchy.
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- KVRAF
- 1863 posts since 11 Apr, 2008
It seems that still a lot of people think that higher SR is only about frequencies above 22kHz
It all depends oh what level of 'audio maniac' you are and what equipment you have.
Not surprise that bedroom producers with cheap monitors and small bedroom as 'studio' doesn't hear difference.
Absolutely normal thing to not hear details and honest sound in bad environment (of course some people believe that pair of KRK monitors make their room a real professional studio )
Next thing is a lot of people born in digital era is familiar with this digital harsh sound of higher frequencies. Personally I feel sick when I hear mainstream pop on cd's where sometimes hihats sound like digital noise
Depending on software which I work, I'm on 96kHz because difference is HUGE
It all depends oh what level of 'audio maniac' you are and what equipment you have.
Not surprise that bedroom producers with cheap monitors and small bedroom as 'studio' doesn't hear difference.
Absolutely normal thing to not hear details and honest sound in bad environment (of course some people believe that pair of KRK monitors make their room a real professional studio )
Next thing is a lot of people born in digital era is familiar with this digital harsh sound of higher frequencies. Personally I feel sick when I hear mainstream pop on cd's where sometimes hihats sound like digital noise
Depending on software which I work, I'm on 96kHz because difference is HUGE
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- KVRAF
- 10588 posts since 13 Jun, 2004 from Alberto Balsam
Unless there is aliasing, you will not tell the difference between 44.1khz and 96khz. Because the signals below 22.05khz are mathematically identical.pixel85 wrote:It seems that still a lot of people think that higher SR is only about frequencies above 22kHz
It all depends oh what level of 'audio maniac' you are and what equipment you have.
Not surprise that bedroom producers with cheap monitors and small bedroom as 'studio' doesn't hear difference.
Absolutely normal thing to not hear details and honest sound in bad environment (of course some people believe that pair of KRK monitors make their room a real professional studio )
Next thing is a lot of people born in digital era is familiar with this digital harsh sound of higher frequencies. Personally I feel sick when I hear mainstream pop on cd's where sometimes hihats sound like digital noise
Depending on software which I work, I'm on 96kHz because difference is HUGE
- KVRian
- 1091 posts since 8 Feb, 2012 from South - Africa
Yeah, can anybody say SuperSaw, DX7?camsr wrote:Aliasing in synths (more commonly) isn't always a bad thing.sharke wrote:I have found that whether or not a synth sounds better at 96kHz is a crapshoot. Sometimes it does, sometimes it most definitely doesn't. For example I was using a plucked string simulator in Reaktor recently and decided to switch the sample rate to 96kHz - it sounded horrible. And I did the same with a Z3TA+2 pad one time - it went from sounding warm to sounding scratchy.
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- KVRAF
- 6409 posts since 22 Jan, 2005 from Sweden
A bit odd though, to rely on aliasing to get the sound you want.camsr wrote:Aliasing in synths (more commonly) isn't always a bad thing.sharke wrote:I have found that whether or not a synth sounds better at 96kHz is a crapshoot. Sometimes it does, sometimes it most definitely doesn't. For example I was using a plucked string simulator in Reaktor recently and decided to switch the sample rate to 96kHz - it sounded horrible. And I did the same with a Z3TA+2 pad one time - it went from sounding warm to sounding scratchy.
When converted to mp3 what you heard in daw as PCM is probably gone anyway.
Either way we must remember that a synth might not be tested and support 96k correctly. It's not just to let samples run through the same way.
Remember that it was just two years ago that the last two plugins in Waves Gold bundle supported 96k. Not synths, but still, there is some work to be done.