Apparently your favorite book is Schopenhauer's "the art of controversy" or just trolling in modern times. Anyway If you are happy paying half price of the full version every two years for the "new code" just go ahead, I am not.SJ_Digriz wrote:Yeah, how dare they continue to write code year after year. Bastards.ZINO wrote:Well... it's about time someone f**ks them back after all these 200 Euro upgrades every couple of years.sqigls wrote:I've said it before, and I will say it again, f**k you Steinberg.
Loyal Steinberg customer = f**ked up customer
Steinberg's Countdown, Nuendo 6 AND Cubase 7!!!
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- KVRian
- 852 posts since 21 Jan, 2006 from Athens, Greece
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- KVRAF
- 6095 posts since 5 Jul, 2001 from Just about .... there
Look, it's not that hard. At or around the 1.5 year point, you can bank on a paid upgrade of some kind in the near future. WHEN you choose to upgrade is up to YOU. Just because you waited two years before CHOOSING to upgrade is not Steinbergs fault. All the "I got screwed" whining is a load of crap.
If you have to ask, you can't afford the answer
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- KVRAF
- 6095 posts since 5 Jul, 2001 from Just about .... there
How long do you think they can pay their programmers if they quit charging?ZINO wrote: Apparently your favorite book is Schopenhauer's "the art of controversy" or just trolling in modern times. Anyway If you are happy paying half price of the full version every two years for the "new code" just go ahead, I am not.
If you have to ask, you can't afford the answer
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- KVRAF
- 6095 posts since 5 Jul, 2001 from Just about .... there
@CompyFox again ..
So, routing is choosing to put the strip before or after the inserts. The filters are fixed to be right after gain/phase. The strip EQ can be moved around inside the strip.
So, routing is choosing to put the strip before or after the inserts. The filters are fixed to be right after gain/phase. The strip EQ can be moved around inside the strip.
If you have to ask, you can't afford the answer
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- KVRian
- 852 posts since 21 Jan, 2006 from Athens, Greece
You don't get it do you? Then tell me why do they charge $100 for Wavelab 7 upgrade fom 6 and $200 for the Cubase 7 upgrade from 6 when both the full versions of Cubase and Wavelab have the same RRP. In my opinion the Wavelab upgrade is fine, while the Cubase one is a rip-off. That's all I am saying and if you don't agree, thats fine, but thats my opinion...SJ_Digriz wrote:How long do you think they can pay their programmers if they quit charging?ZINO wrote: Apparently your favorite book is Schopenhauer's "the art of controversy" or just trolling in modern times. Anyway If you are happy paying half price of the full version every two years for the "new code" just go ahead, I am not.
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- KVRAF
- 6095 posts since 5 Jul, 2001 from Just about .... there
Great, but your opinion is based on your preference for not being charged for stuff. Their opinion is based on their ability to keep the doors open and make a profit. You have no idea what the cost differential is between maintaining Wavelab vs Cubase. Neither do I.ZINO wrote:You don't get it do you? Then tell me why do they charge $100 for Wavelab 7 upgrade fom 6 and $200 for the Cubase 7 upgrade from 6 when both the full versions of Cubase and Wavelab have the same RRP. In my opinion the Wavelab upgrade is fine, while the Cubase one is a rip-off. That's all I am saying and if you don't agree, thats fine, but thats my opinion...SJ_Digriz wrote:How long do you think they can pay their programmers if they quit charging?ZINO wrote: Apparently your favorite book is Schopenhauer's "the art of controversy" or just trolling in modern times. Anyway If you are happy paying half price of the full version every two years for the "new code" just go ahead, I am not.
But the continual whining about upgrades is tiresome and irrelevant. You're the only one that gives a shit if you upgrade or not. And, the idea that companies charging for maintenance on software is somehow greedy or evil or whatever is juvenile at best.
If you have to ask, you can't afford the answer
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- KVRAF
- 14658 posts since 19 Oct, 2003 from Berlin, Germany
Seen that, already answered over on the borgz page as well.SJ_Digriz wrote:@CompyFox again ..
So, routing is choosing to put the strip before or after the inserts. The filters are fixed to be right after gain/phase. The strip EQ can be moved around inside the strip.
Personally I'd love to get like 10 insert slots (pre-fader), and a "channel strip placement module". Then we're really flexible.
But I think this won't be a FR that will be ported.
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- KVRian
- 852 posts since 21 Jan, 2006 from Athens, Greece
You're a troll or just an idiot.SJ_Digriz wrote:Great, but your opinion is based on your preference for not being charged for stuff.ZINO wrote:You don't get it do you? Then tell me why do they charge $100 for Wavelab 7 upgrade fom 6 and $200 for the Cubase 7 upgrade from 6 when both the full versions of Cubase and Wavelab have the same RRP. In my opinion the Wavelab upgrade is fine, while the Cubase one is a rip-off. That's all I am saying and if you don't agree, thats fine, but thats my opinion...SJ_Digriz wrote:How long do you think they can pay their programmers if they quit charging?ZINO wrote: Apparently your favorite book is Schopenhauer's "the art of controversy" or just trolling in modern times. Anyway If you are happy paying half price of the full version every two years for the "new code" just go ahead, I am not.
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- KVRAF
- 6095 posts since 5 Jul, 2001 from Just about .... there
I'm not a troll, but I've been called an idiot more than once... However, I see you're the one that had to go ad hominem when your straw man caught on fire.ZINO wrote:You're a troll or just an idiot.SJ_Digriz wrote:Great, but your opinion is based on your preference for not being charged for stuff.ZINO wrote:You don't get it do you? Then tell me why do they charge $100 for Wavelab 7 upgrade fom 6 and $200 for the Cubase 7 upgrade from 6 when both the full versions of Cubase and Wavelab have the same RRP. In my opinion the Wavelab upgrade is fine, while the Cubase one is a rip-off. That's all I am saying and if you don't agree, thats fine, but thats my opinion...SJ_Digriz wrote:How long do you think they can pay their programmers if they quit charging?ZINO wrote: Apparently your favorite book is Schopenhauer's "the art of controversy" or just trolling in modern times. Anyway If you are happy paying half price of the full version every two years for the "new code" just go ahead, I am not.
And, I still don't give a shit if you upgrade or not.
If you have to ask, you can't afford the answer
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- KVRian
- 852 posts since 21 Jan, 2006 from Athens, Greece
I am not a native English speaker my friend but when I am saying that "a $100 upgrade is fine with me" in no language in the universe this is translated/interpeted as "your preference for not being charged for stuff".SJ_Digriz wrote:I'm not a troll, but I've been called an idiot more than once... However, I see you're the one that had to go ad hominem when your straw man caught on fire.ZINO wrote:You're a troll or just an idiot.SJ_Digriz wrote:Great, but your opinion is based on your preference for not being charged for stuff.ZINO wrote:You don't get it do you? Then tell me why do they charge $100 for Wavelab 7 upgrade fom 6 and $200 for the Cubase 7 upgrade from 6 when both the full versions of Cubase and Wavelab have the same RRP. In my opinion the Wavelab upgrade is fine, while the Cubase one is a rip-off. That's all I am saying and if you don't agree, thats fine, but thats my opinion...SJ_Digriz wrote:How long do you think they can pay their programmers if they quit charging?ZINO wrote: Apparently your favorite book is Schopenhauer's "the art of controversy" or just trolling in modern times. Anyway If you are happy paying half price of the full version every two years for the "new code" just go ahead, I am not.
And, I still don't give a shit if you upgrade or not.
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- KVRAF
- 6095 posts since 5 Jul, 2001 from Just about .... there
Agreed, but...Compyfox wrote: Personally I'd love to get like 10 insert slots (pre-fader), and a "channel strip placement module". Then we're really flexible.
The HC/LC is where it belongs .. heck I waste an insert for a HP filter on 90% of tracks. So, that's a huge thing for me as long as they don't suck. And, you don't need some ultra precise phase linear EQ for HP.
Being able to move the EQ around inside the channel strip is actually quite a bit of flexibility. But, like you, I'd still like to be able to put the strip anywhere inside the insert chain and increase the number of insert slots. Heck I think they should all be able to be set pre/post fader.
But, this is still FAR better than before.
If you have to ask, you can't afford the answer
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- KVRAF
- 6095 posts since 5 Jul, 2001 from Just about .... there
Fine, you win ... Steinberg sucks for charging more than you want for the upgrade ... Happy now? hmm... let me check ... nope still don't give a shit if you upgrade or not.ZINO wrote: I an not a native English speaker my friend but when I am saying that "a $100 upgrade is fine with me" in no language in the universe this is translated/interpeted as "your preference for not being charged for stuff".
Can we get back to discussing C7 features please?
EDIT: FWIW you can change idiot to asshole .. that works too
If you have to ask, you can't afford the answer
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- KVRian
- 852 posts since 21 Jan, 2006 from Athens, Greece
Since you don't care why did you originaly pop up to say your smartass comment? Anyway, my IQ dropped by 30 points by talking to you. Bye-bye and enjoy your upgrade.SJ_Digriz wrote:Fine, you win ... Steinberg sucks for charging more than you want for the upgrade ... Happy now? hmm... let me check ... nope still don't give a shit if you upgrade or not.ZINO wrote: I an not a native English speaker my friend but when I am saying that "a $100 upgrade is fine with me" in no language in the universe this is translated/interpeted as "your preference for not being charged for stuff".
Can we get back to discussing C7 features please?
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- KVRAF
- 6095 posts since 5 Jul, 2001 from Just about .... there
George Carlin has a great line that goes something like...ZINO wrote: I am saying that "a $100 upgrade is fine with me"
"Ever notice that people that are going slower than you are idiots, and people going faster than you are maniacs?"
If you have to ask, you can't afford the answer
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- KVRAF
- 14658 posts since 19 Oct, 2003 from Berlin, Germany
Agreed. That module should stay at absolute first instance, no matter at which setup.SJ_Digriz wrote: Agreed, but...
The HC/LC is where it belongs .. heck I waste an insert for a HP filter on 90% of tracks. So, that's a huge thing for me as long as they don't suck. And, you don't need some ultra precise phase linear EQ for HP.
Also agreed. This is why I got certain channel strip modules in the first place (TeamDNR comes to mind), and this is why they are exist as well.SJ_Digriz wrote:Being able to move the EQ around inside the channel strip is actually quite a bit of flexibility. But, like you, I'd still like to be able to put the strip anywhere inside the insert chain and increase the number of insert slots. Heck I think they should all be able to be set pre/post fader.
Maybe this can be improved - if the code is new, and the routing can be done as well. But I need backup from more users over at Steinberg with my FR.
I can definitely back that up. It's an intereting concept which can be drasically enhanced. I only hope Steinberg listens to FR's and things get towards the right direction.SJ_Digriz wrote:But, this is still FAR better than before.
Compared to OTB mixing however, things drastically improved. We can only hope for the best.
