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I don't understand something.
Let's say I'm a U.S. citizen. I buy the OP's deal on ebay and install it on my laptop. I then decide I'm moving to Europe for 2 years. No problems using the software in Europe right?
Now let's say I'm a US citizen, I buy the OP's deal on ebay but don't register it yet. I then decide to move to Europe for 2 years and register the product in Europe. Will I not be able to register it? If not, why not?

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You have to pay less if you have more guns.






And btw.. why did you think the world is a fair place?


Why should you care if you screw the system if the system is screwing you back all the time? The ones who screw the best thrive (or survive).
Realities of life.
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Steinberg. Государственной монополии музыка программного обеспечения.

Деньги первым!

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My Russian is rusty, and without looking to google translate...

Steinberg. State(?) monopoly of music programs <something>.

Money (first?) !

I need to go back to classes... :hihi:

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fandango wrote:My Russian is rusty, and without looking to google translate...

Steinberg. State(?) monopoly of music programs <something>.

Money (first?) !

I need to go back to classes... :hihi:
My post was made by a google translate writer for google translate readers.

:hihi:

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kmonkey wrote: But with everything ordered overseas i am risking of getting in to weirdness when registering products (like it's reported from various users here and on gearslutz)


- so no matter how hard company is trying to convince me that it's because of value conversion - it's lame excuse - For 200 EUR cheaper i am getting 3 times more in value..isn't that stupid? Is that how you act to customers from your "zone" ?
I don't think you'll get any problems activating Cubase. basically, you don't even need anything shipped to you - just the code to activate the product on your eLicenser. And I don't believe Steinbegr can control when someone access the eLÇicenser server to activate a prduct where that code comes from.
Once you have the product activated, if you want to get the upgrade, you go to Steinberg shop and buy the upgrade product. That again gives you a code that only works if you have the eligible product already activated in your key. Again, I don't see what can go wrong.
Fernando (FMR)

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fmr wrote:
kmonkey wrote: But with everything ordered overseas i am risking of getting in to weirdness when registering products (like it's reported from various users here and on gearslutz)


- so no matter how hard company is trying to convince me that it's because of value conversion - it's lame excuse - For 200 EUR cheaper i am getting 3 times more in value..isn't that stupid? Is that how you act to customers from your "zone" ?
I don't think you'll get any problems activating Cubase. basically, you don't even need anything shipped to you - just the code to activate the product on your eLicenser. And I don't believe Steinbegr can control when someone access the eLÇicenser server to activate a prduct where that code comes from.
Once you have the product activated, if you want to get the upgrade, you go to Steinberg shop and buy the upgrade product. That again gives you a code that only works if you have the eligible product already activated in your key. Again, I don't see what can go wrong.
Go back to page 1 and read post #4 please (about the Geo tag thing).

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ZINO wrote:
fmr wrote:
kmonkey wrote: But with everything ordered overseas i am risking of getting in to weirdness when registering products (like it's reported from various users here and on gearslutz)


- so no matter how hard company is trying to convince me that it's because of value conversion - it's lame excuse - For 200 EUR cheaper i am getting 3 times more in value..isn't that stupid? Is that how you act to customers from your "zone" ?
I don't think you'll get any problems activating Cubase. basically, you don't even need anything shipped to you - just the code to activate the product on your eLicenser. And I don't believe Steinbegr can control when someone access the eLÇicenser server to activate a prduct where that code comes from.
Once you have the product activated, if you want to get the upgrade, you go to Steinberg shop and buy the upgrade product. That again gives you a code that only works if you have the eligible product already activated in your key. Again, I don't see what can go wrong.
Go back to page 1 and read post #4 please (about the Geo tag thing).
I didn't quite understand... First he said that we can activate but dealers will not give us support (big deal: I am/was a dealer, and if some, I would be the supporter, not the supported). Then, he tells that C7 is geo-tagged, so, we would not be able to activate it, but since we are buying C6, that's not the case, therefore, we could activate it, and since C7 falls withing the grace period, it would be activated automatically. What am I missing here?
Fernando (FMR)

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I think it's all about money.
We Australians are constantly ripped off by overseas companies who see us as a soft target for price gouging.
There is an article in todays leading online australian newspaper naming apple, microsoft and others....

http://www.news.com.au/technology/austr ... 6687671422
I'm tired of being insane. I'm going outsane for some fresh air.

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Guillermo Navarrete wrote:
This offer does not exist in the EU, it is a USA offer only. If you purchase it, it will fall in the so called "Grey Import" area.

Which means that you can activate it and register it at MySteinberg, but some local dealers or distributors might not want to support you as you have not purchased it with them.
What about the Halion Sonic v.1 200euros offer for Cubase 6 users that was exclusively sold from the Steinberg online shop? I didn't buy it from local dealers or distributors - will they "want to support me as I have not purchased it with them"?

What about Halion 2 upgrade that is only available in digital form from the Steinberg online shop? I didn't buy it from local dealers or distributors - will they "want to support me as I have not purchased it with them"?

What about any other offers / product updates that can be bought only from the online shop or that the distributor is not taking part in the offer but happens to sell the full version at the normal price? I didn't buy it from local dealers or distributors - will they "want to support me as I have not purchased it with them"?

What about customers that have access to the Steinberg shop but at the same time cannot have access to direct Steinberg support but only though their local distributors because they happen to be in a Steinberg 2nd rate country? They didn't buy it from local dealers or distributors - will the local dealers or distributors "want to support them as they have not purchased it with them"?


The way I see it, all this is one big f**ked up grey area. And its Steinberg's exclusive responsibility for creating it. And every day you are making it even worst with new things like "Geo tag" instead of trying to improve the situation.

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Does Cubase use the soft eLicenser, or does it require the dongle?
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werp wrote:I think it's all about money.
We Australians are constantly ripped off by overseas companies who see us as a soft target for price gouging.
There is an article in todays leading online australian newspaper naming apple, microsoft and others....

http://www.news.com.au/technology/austr ... 6687671422
Sound a bit same as how Apple prices it's stuff in Finland.

I mean seriously. People flew to UK to buy an iPhone.. and stay in a hotel for a few days.. and saved money compared to Finnish prices. Crazy.

Based on that article it seems a lot worse down under though..
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Nanakai wrote:Does Cubase use the soft eLicenser, or does it require the dongle?
It depends on the product. Their more expensive / flagship software require dongle.

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Hello all,

We definitely didn't created the term Grey Area import ;) the term is widely use when importing goods that are unavailable or more expensive in a certain country and unissued securities that are not yet traded in official markets.

There are many hidden pitfalls with this imports:

Products sourced from foreign markets will not usually include the valuable addition of any (local country) distributor's extended (place your country here) warranty, offering maybe an extra two years free of charge to provide an unrivalled three years' peace of mind.

Retailers operating outside your country may not include VAT in the price of goods, so at first glance their offers may appear very attractive. However the purchaser then has to transport the item back to your country, with two obvious disadvantages:

a) If the goods go missing during transportation then the responsibility of tracing or replacing them - if the purchaser has been prudent enough to take out expensive insurance cover - falls to the customer. The vendor has received his money and will show no further interest.

b) As a EU (As an example) resident the purchaser is legally required, upon receipt of the goods, to pay import duty and VAT at 19% (in Germany). For peace of mind it is advisable to check the small print of the vendor's documentation. According to customs and Excise, unscrupulous overseas suppliers may falsely describe or value items to evade import duty. If the Customs declaration form on the parcel is found to be misleading then the recipient may be liable to financial penalty or prosecution. Purchasers may even have to forfeit the goods.

The Post Office may also charge the addressee for clearing the package through Customs, and even hold the goods if the contents have not been properly declared by the sender. Post Office fees for doing so are completely separate to Customs charges.

To sum up, grey importers can only undercut legitimate retailers because of their irregular practices. Their overheads are much reduced because they have no showrooms; help lines or workshops with knowledgeable staff.

We do not differentiate between first and second countries, sometimes it is possible to sell directly to some countries, and some other times due to commercial agreements, duties etc... We have to distribute our products through local retailers and or Distributors.

If your local distributor does not want to give support or assistance then you can always request support to the Steinberg Headquarters.

Best regards,
GN
Guillermo Navarrete, Product Specialist
Steinberg
Hamburg, Germany
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Guillermo Navarrete wrote:Hello all,

We definitely didn't created the term Grey Area import ;) the term is widely use when importing goods that are unavailable or more expensive in a certain country and unissued securities that are not yet traded in official markets.

There are many hidden pitfalls with this imports:

Products sourced from foreign markets will not usually include the valuable addition of any (local country) distributor's extended (place your country here) warranty, offering maybe an extra two years free of charge to provide an unrivalled three years' peace of mind.

Retailers operating outside your country may not include VAT in the price of goods, so at first glance their offers may appear very attractive. However the purchaser then has to transport the item back to your country, with two obvious disadvantages:

a) If the goods go missing during transportation then the responsibility of tracing or replacing them - if the purchaser has been prudent enough to take out expensive insurance cover - falls to the customer. The vendor has received his money and will show no further interest.

b) As a EU (As an example) resident the purchaser is legally required, upon receipt of the goods, to pay import duty and VAT at 19% (in Germany). For peace of mind it is advisable to check the small print of the vendor's documentation. According to customs and Excise, unscrupulous overseas suppliers may falsely describe or value items to evade import duty. If the Customs declaration form on the parcel is found to be misleading then the recipient may be liable to financial penalty or prosecution. Purchasers may even have to forfeit the goods.

The Post Office may also charge the addressee for clearing the package through Customs, and even hold the goods if the contents have not been properly declared by the sender. Post Office fees for doing so are completely separate to Customs charges.

To sum up, grey importers can only undercut legitimate retailers because of their irregular practices. Their overheads are much reduced because they have no showrooms; help lines or workshops with knowledgeable staff.

We do not differentiate between first and second countries, sometimes it is possible to sell directly to some countries, and some other times due to commercial agreements, duties etc... We have to distribute our products through local retailers and or Distributors.

If your local distributor does not want to give support or assistance then you can always request support to the Steinberg Headquarters.

Best regards,
GN
Guillermo, all you say is true, but you forget something: When the prize is great, the incentive to take the risk raises. This is what european governments and authorities seem to forget these days. Law has to be raised upon justice and fairness, otherwise, it loses very much it's power, specially when we are dealing with tax laws.

And in this particular case, the prize for the risk is enormous. So, either Steinberg stops these practieces, or it must extend them evrywhere.

You seem to forget that the market is more and more global, specially the software market. And, as I said. we don't even need anything shipped at all, therefore, there will be no customs risk (and what kind of security are you talking about regarding software, anyway?).

The seller may very well keep the products, or just ship the DVDs in an envelope, as a regular letter. It's a risk? It is, but the prize is great.

To conclude, I must say that, if I was a Steinberg retailer, I would be really pissed not to be able to offer my customers these deals.
Fernando (FMR)

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