Get Wavelab LE 8 for free

[Musical Gym]

It requires to install the eLicenser software. Moving the license to a dongle is optional, you don't necessarily need it.

Thanks, I'll try again.

[ZINO]

So if a Mag costs 15EUR, the mag itself is only about 5EUR, the rest goes to Steinberg for the license.

The issue cost 5,90€, the regular price. It's a question whether Steinberg gets a share of that at all, or if it's free advertising. I mean they surely will get a lot of clients upgrading to higher versions with this. And Beat will get a lot of people buying this issue because of Wavelab LE.

In addition to this, old users of LE 6/7 or Elements 7 can also upgrade to elements 8 for the same price (49.99), contrary to the otherwise strict $teinberg upgrade options/prices. So, this is surely a marketing thing / gateway drug trying to get more people to the "eligibility" pool, and perhaps explains better why this "grey zone" thing isn't a grey zone at all from the company perspective. It surely sucks for the magazine customers |(that bought it for that reason alone) and this is not cool at all.

[Compyfox]

So if a Mag costs 15EUR, the mag itself is only about 5EUR, the rest goes to Steinberg for the license.

The issue cost 5,90€, the regular price. It's a question whether Steinberg gets a share of that at all, or if it's free advertising. I mean they surely will get a lot of clients upgrading to higher versions with this. And Beat will get a lot of people buying this issue because of Wavelab LE.

Still doesn't make it okay to simply leave a server "open" for everyone to grab a license - for "free". Neither is it "free" with a magazine.


KEYS (PPV Medien) did the system a bit different. Each printed magazine has a unique serial number. Should someone steal it, you can "claim it" back (contact support, sent in a photo, etc). BEAT on the other hand (Falkemedia) pisses on the turf of everyone recently with the actions of the "Beatdrive" and now with Wavelab LE.

Users that pay regulary for the magazine, or have a subscription, but see mentions like this (grab it "free") here on KVR or GS, are massively pissed off. Because these magazine readers "pay" for others, while the majority that reads "grab it free" is simply "stealing" - and even get a discount for upgrading on top of it.


Again, I adressed this to the BEAT CEO months ago, and he basically said "the licenses are online for a while now - I don't see a problem?". But I do see a problem in this! And the main issue I'm having with this is that I (if I want that license, be fair and legitimate) pay(!) for both the magazine and the license bundled with it, while others can simply grab it for free off the net. Semi Legal because this is a loop hole - may it be intentional or not.

This is not cool! And I'm surprised why this topic is still(!) open on KVR.


So this particular distributor doesn't care as much as "Future Publishing" with their constant "used warez in masterclass videos", and a similar "free VSTi drive" system.

I know why I stopped my subscription years ago - even though I miss out the one or another tool from time to time. But behavior like this pisses me off.

[whyterabbyt]

So if a Mag costs 15EUR, the mag itself is only about 5EUR, the rest goes to Steinberg for the license.

The issue cost 5,90€, the regular price. It's a question whether Steinberg gets a share of that at all, or if it's free advertising. I mean they surely will get a lot of clients upgrading to higher versions with this. And Beat will get a lot of people buying this issue because of Wavelab LE.

Still doesn't make it okay to simply leave a server "open" for everyone to grab a license - for "free". Neither is it "free" with a magazine.

Okay for who? If Steinberg had an issue with it, they'd do something about it.

Or is it just not okay for you? That someone might have gotten something for less money than you?

This is not cool! And I'm surprised why this topic is still(!) open on KVR.

Im surprised the same people get away with repeatedly posting workarounds for magazineware offers, but if nothing's been done about it by now, then I think you're going to have to assume that its been okayed by someone with more clout than you.

[Compyfox]

What if Steinberg doesn't even know it?
Or they know it by now and the damage is done?

Did Cakewalk do anything about it with Z3ta+? No, they didn't - they even "fixed" the faux pas of that distributor with handling out even more(!) licenses.

So yes - it is promotion to some point. But it's not fair to paying customers!

[whyterabbyt]

So yes - it is promotion to some point. But it's not fair to paying customers!

Ah, so its 'someone got something cheaper than I did' angst. Welcome to the internetz.

[Compyfox]

Maybe that, and clearly stating that this is a "greyzone area" in terms of getting licenses.

[chk071]

What if someone buys the mag for the articles, and not the DVD content? That reader wouldn't be pissed off at all for example. You're assuming everyone buys the mag for the DVD's content. I believe a lot will do, but most likely not everyone.

[robogone]

What if Steinberg doesn't even know it?
Or they know it by now and the damage is done?

I think it highly unlikely, and they stand to gain more financially from a greater number of licenses out there with the ability to take up the very well timed upgrade reduction.

I'm sure they'd be putting them in cereal boxes and mailers in people's mailboxes if they thought they'd hit the right audience. Why would they care if their entry level product reaches a much wider audience and opens up the upgrade path to their higher level products?

The concept has been around for a long time. You can call it a 'loss leader', 'cynical marketing', whatever you want - if Steinberg had an issue with it I doubt that there would be the complete silence from them that we hear right now.

[Compyfox]

Ever considered that half of the magazine content is "free" anyway, and the income wage pretty much nonexistant?

An example with Impact Soundworks:
Impact Soundwords had samples from SITAR Nation on BEAT once. I was surprised about this, bought the magazine (and the DVD), then contacted the CEO of Impact Soundworks (a good friend of mine). He was also surprised and didn't know where that came from. Neither did he see any strong income and barely any promotion.

Now in case of Klanghelm - recently, there is "freeware" content by him on the DVD, and advertised as "the add-on" for this particular magazine. A must have. Yet you can download it for free from Klanghelms homepage. Most of the time the developers do not even know this. And sometimes it's also a clear violation of the TOS (freeware must not be sold on mags/on collection CDs, etc)


BEAT and KEYS once cost 3,90EUR without DVD, now they cost 5,90EUR with DVD (formerly CD). So 4EUR goes into the mag, 2EUR into the DVD print. Depending on what deal they have with host providers, they also get a certain revenue.


Still... I'd be major pissed if I'm a subscriber of the magazine, get the DVD and the license "officially" and any other person can simply "snag" the "LE" stuff (which I paid 15bucks for) for free off the net, piss on others turf in the process, and even get a 10EUR discount to upgrade to the next nearest full version on top of it. Especially knowing that this particular company in question, doesn't give out such licenses for free. Not even through their own homepage. (read: mag bound only, bundled with hardware).

Something is just not right here. I'm not talking about Warez here (even though this clearly stabs towards that direction) - I'm talking about "legal means", which in turn are not "fair business" at all and rather more than "grey zone".


Yet both the people and the magazine don't give a damn. It's "okay to do so".

Which really pops up the question for me, why I spend so much money to support developers, if magazines like that can simply come along and be like "still sold for 150quids! Free at out place! We have a keygen - just sign up - if you bought if legit, your fault!".



Whatever... made my point. Obviously I'm "wrong thinking" and having "angst".
No use further debating this for me.

[vurt]

welcome to the world of tomorrow.

[Gamma-UT]

welcome to the world of tomorrow.

Which issue is that one in? What do I get if I pay for the upgrade? Is it the full universe or do I only get a discount on a galaxy?

[robogone]

welcome to the world of tomorrow.

[chk071]

@ Compyfox: The full versions on CM mag's DVD they had for 2 issues, z3ta and Rapture are old and discontinued. I don't think anyone can blame Cakewalk for releasing them as magware, especially, as in z3ta's case, if they have the next version to wait in the wings. You can argue the same way with Synapse Dune, and the magware version of it, but after all, it's a business decision by the developer, and you can't really complain about that.

Of course you're entitled to be pissed off though, if you bought the mag solely for Wavelab LE, and now "free serials" are handed out. This is entirely Beat's fault though, they are very sloppy about that sort of stuff, maybe on purpose, who knows. Or they just have people sitting there who don't know how the web works (i suspect that).

[vurt]

welcome to the world of tomorrow.

Which issue is that one in?

yesterdays.
now all your concerns will seem somewhat distant.