KVR Audio

Guillermo Navarrete · Thu Jan 29, 2015 10:12 am

Hello,

hibidy wrote:I'm confused now. I do not want an update. The full version is available as a download, elicenser is required. The one from GC seem to do the trick.

Where is it available as a download? Do you have a link to it?
If it is Guitar Center I will probably won't be able to see it from a German IP though...

Best regards,
GN

Compyfox · Post by **Compyfox** » Thu Jan 29, 2015 1:27 pm

And as expected on KVR Audio - selective answering of posts by official reps.

*sigh* okay... No demo, no purchase. No boxed version, only DLC in the future. Fine with me.

As long as I still have DSL at least..

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Thu Jan 29, 2015 1:38 pm

Guillermo Navarrete wrote:Hello,

hibidy wrote:I'm confused now. I do not want an update. The full version is available as a download, elicenser is required. The one from GC seem to do the trick.
Where is it available as a download? Do you have a link to it?
If it is Guitar Center I will probably wont be able to see it from a German IP though...

Best regards,
GN

Jrr shop.

Guillermo Navarrete · Post by **Guillermo Navarrete** » Thu Jan 29, 2015 1:46 pm

Hello,

hibidy wrote:
Guillermo Navarrete wrote:Hello,

hibidy wrote:I'm confused now. I do not want an update. The full version is available as a download, elicenser is required. The one from GC seem to do the trick.
Where is it available as a download? Do you have a link to it?
If it is Guitar Center I will probably wont be able to see it from a German IP though...

Best regards,
GN
Jrr shop.

There are only old Cubase versions in Jrr shop, Cubase 7 and Cubase Artist 7 even some Cubase 5 but I couldn't find a Cubase Pro 8.
Maybe they are providing a download link and sending you the activation code by email, which means they are opening the Cubase Pro 8 boxes and giving you the code pero email. I have double checked with the sales department there isn't an official Cubase Pro 8 full version available as a download.

Best regards,
GN

budweiser · Post by **budweiser** » Thu Jan 29, 2015 1:54 pm

Compyfox wrote: I asked Steinberg this question several times - but... "why" only a download?

To cut the costs, probably.

Compyfox wrote: Don't tell me that this is "too much work" to release a demo at the beginning of the release. I can't follow this analogy.

It's not too much work, it's too much bugs (nothing crippling, but quirks here and there). Give us poor guinea pigs the time to report a bit before a demo hit the street. My advice : for a good cubase pro 8 experience, come back and try (and buy) when the cherry trees will be in flower.

Compyfox · Post by **Compyfox** » Thu Jan 29, 2015 2:34 pm

Yeah, by Cubase 9 Beta - aka Cubase 8.5... Or actually C8.5 = "true Cubase 8" maybe.

I mean really...
Cubase 8 was released early December 2014. By that time, beta testers already had months of access to Cubase.

So "bugs" should have been ironed out. Then the first wave of the usual-usual got kicked off. People reporting severe issues and yet again disimprovements. Split camps - one saying "everything is fine", the other being "no it's not", and those that were burned before being like "where is the demo?!".

Early January, we get a 0.5 maintenance update that "should" fix the initial banana skin problems. And the criticism doesn't cut off.

Cubase 7.0 took over 3 months to get a "demo" out (initial release: December 2012, Demo and 0.2 version in March 2013). And another 3 to release an LE version (June 2013). Cubase 7.5 was released December 2013, and the demo of this version only took about 1,5 months to hit.

Personally, I am one of those people that were burned with C7.0, and things didn't drastically improve with C7.5 either. So I want to(!) take a closer look with either a demo, or LE prior to investing money and running into the very same issues - if not worse - than currently reported. I don't want to waste money. Neither do I want to be burned with getting "late in the game" (If I jump on C8 - as of this moment, it won't happen!), and only like 2-3 months later comes .5 with no grace period - since I'm just out of the 1,5-month time frame.

So to me, the waiting time is unacceptable. Especially if other developers, host developers even, can issue demo versions at the same day the full versions are released.

What is making things worse:
It's not only Cubase that is causing issues. I filed a longer bug report about Wavelab 8.x on 15th January. We have the 29th now. And yes, I know that there was the NAMM recently. But you can't call this "support" if the issues at hand are kind of important (meters of offline analysis tools are far off! Absolute no-no as audio engineer. The Batch Processor being broken. Audio Engine causing hickups if you jump between 48 and 96kHz, etc, etc, etc - and don't let me get started on VST3 in WL!).

And all we see in here, in case of Cubase questions, is "selective answering" to those users that are not on a blacklist, and then the answers are like "we can't reproduce this - this doesn't happen". BTW: more Steinberg reps than GN read along - so this could be taken as a point for criticism. Actually - it is the main point for criticism for a couple of months now (I just hit the Steinberg boards, and I read similar disappointments).

Big facepalm moment IMO.
But then again - that's just me. And I must imagining things again.

Then again - carry on. If C8 is working for you. Please enjoy it while it lasts.

Again - no demo, no further comment, no purchase.
So when is the demo due?

No customer support (either Cubase or Wavelab) - no further financial "support" from my side in the future either. A turnaround of 2-4 workdays max is still acceptable. Everything else is already scratching the acceptance limit - especially considering the upgrade prices.

It's been a while that I sat out certain versions. Sadly, Wavelab (not only on my end!) is more broken than C7.5 (which I got used to at this point), so sitting that one out is unfortunately not(!) an option.

YMMV.

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Thu Jan 29, 2015 2:46 pm

No demo. No buy-o

budweiser · Post by **budweiser** » Thu Jan 29, 2015 3:29 pm

Waiting to buy is a very good idea, imo. Last night i had a moment of weakness and updated but i know i won't use cubase pro 8 before a few months and stay on 7.5 for the moment. It's not really a problem as i'm pleased to support steinberg, but over the bugs i feel more concerned by a general trend in the whole steinberg line : the general gui mess. I don't know for wavelab but i tried halion 5 and groove agent 4 and even if the features are good, what prevented me from buying is the incredible gui mess. Everything, everywhere. It's awful. I have the feeling features are not implemented in a user point of view. I've already tried every other daw and always came back to c, but for the first time in years i think about switching. A stupid example : how, for the sake of god, how could they forgot to make the new dock system (mediabay/vsti rack) shortcutable ?? You just can't open/close it via a shortcut. You have to go in a dialog box, then tick to open/close. This kind of oversight makes the whole thing useless, as it's more a worklow loss than a gain, imo. Hope they will "correct" this faster than the "appearing/disapearing" buttons in the mix console...

ChamomileShark · Post by **ChamomileShark** » Thu Jan 29, 2015 5:02 pm

For the first time ever I'm getting Cubase suddenly quitting (happened while I was working on an Alchemy patch) and going to "Not responding" after closing a project. Win 7, Cubase 8.05. Don't think it happened with the original Cubase 8.

Anyone else suddenlt got problems after going to 8.05?

PatchAdamz · Post by **PatchAdamz** » Thu Jan 29, 2015 5:56 pm

budweiser wrote:Waiting to buy is a very good idea, imo. Last night i had a moment of weakness and updated but i know i won't use cubase pro 8 before a few months and stay on 7.5 for the moment. It's not really a problem as i'm pleased to support steinberg, but over the bugs i feel more concerned by a general trend in the whole steinberg line : the general gui mess. I don't know for wavelab but i tried halion 5 and groove agent 4 and even if the features are good, what prevented me from buying is the incredible gui mess. Everything, everywhere. It's awful. I have the feeling features are not implemented in a user point of view. I've already tried every other daw and always came back to c, but for the first time in years i think about switching. A stupid example : how, for the sake of god, how could they forgot to make the new dock system (mediabay/vsti rack) shortcutable ?? You just can't open/close it via a shortcut. You have to go in a dialog box, then tick to open/close. This kind of oversight makes the whole thing useless, as it's more a worklow loss than a gain, imo. Hope they will "correct" this faster than the "appearing/disapearing" buttons in the mix console...

I found cubase pro 8 to be a very welcome upgrade (bugs and all).
I have been using Cubase since SX (maybe before) and didn't like the work-flow for the last couple versions, too slow.

Now with 8 you can set things up for a more intuitive experience and smoother work-flow.
I think you will see the difference from 7.5.

thebutler · Post by **thebutler** » Thu Jan 29, 2015 6:48 pm

budweiser wrote:A stupid example : how, for the sake of god, how could they forgot to make the new dock system (mediabay/vsti rack) shortcutable ?? You just can't open/close it via a shortcut. You have to go in a dialog box, then tick to open/close. This kind of oversight makes the whole thing useless...

Well, hope you're already sat down as this will come as something of a shock to you; those very clever SB devs didn't forget - try ALT+T

I just asked around; don't know if its in the Manual or not...

budweiser · Post by **budweiser** » Thu Jan 29, 2015 6:56 pm

PatchAdamz wrote: I found cubase pro 8 to be a very welcome upgrade (bugs and all).
I have been using Cubase since SX (maybe before) and didn't like the work-flow for the last couple versions, too slow.

Now with 8 you can set things up for a more intuitive experience and smoother work-flow.
I think you will see the difference from 7.5.

So far i have no major problem with 8, it's stable, much some gremlins here and there, so i'm pretty sure you are right. Probably a diffraction between what i want and what steinberg brings to the table.

thebutler wrote: Or, try ALT+T
I just asked around; don't know if its in the Manual or not...

Ok. Man, you're officialy a genius. Don't know where it's comming from but it works !

edit : i will leave my original post as it is, as a reminder saying : double check before grumbling.
Thanks, you made my day !

Compyfox · Post by **Compyfox** » Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:33 pm

budweiser wrote:It's not really a problem as i'm pleased to support steinberg, ...

Well, and this is where we differ - I am hesitant on further "supporting" Steinberg with the shenanigans of recent years.

PatchAdamz · Post by **PatchAdamz** » Thu Jan 29, 2015 9:58 pm

Compyfox wrote:
budweiser wrote:It's not really a problem as i'm pleased to support steinberg, ...
Well, and this is where we differ - I am hesitant on further "supporting" Steinberg with the shenanigans of recent years.

I was seriously considering going with different software, I really had enough, but I must say with Cubase Pro 8 I can accomplish what i need to and efficiently.

It really has come a long way....
Now support, that may be a different thing, fortunately, I have not had to contact them.

budweiser · Post by **budweiser** » Thu Jan 29, 2015 10:00 pm

Compyfox wrote:
budweiser wrote:It's not really a problem as i'm pleased to support steinberg, ...
Well, and this is where we differ - I am hesitant on further "supporting" Steinberg with the shenanigans of recent years.

Well... i spent so many $$ & hours learning other daws to finally find they have their own weaknesses and go back to cubase than i consider my relationship with this daw as a kind of "for the better and for the worse" thing...
It's ok as long as i'm the man

Steinberg Cubase Pro 8