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dune_rave · Post by **dune_rave** » Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:01 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLQRhG1a97Q

thomni · Post by **thomni** » Fri Apr 25, 2014 1:52 pm

do_androids_dream wrote:It's the space you leave in between...

Yeah, I'd have to agree with this. It's the way you play a piece of music rhythmically as compared to how it is read. A half note is still a half note of course, but not all half notes will leave the same space for other notes or hits.

stringtapper · Post by **stringtapper** » Fri Apr 25, 2014 4:24 pm

To paraphrase the famous Supreme Court justice's quote about hardcore pornography and apply it to groove:

"I won't try to define it, but I know it when I hear it."

tapper mike · Post by **tapper mike** » Fri Apr 25, 2014 11:51 pm

do_androids_dream wrote:It's the space you leave in between...

I disagree. The space left in between is the pocket. One can have a groove which would be considered a hypnotic rhythmic phrasing without a pocket.

I Feel Love has a groove but not a pocket.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2q2bis6eLE

I'll take you there has a groove and a syncopated pocket.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=772YR4_rOBU

Sendy · Post by **Sendy** » Fri Apr 25, 2014 11:57 pm

I don't see the groove as the space between the notes. Of course, you can define anything in terms of it's negative space, they're the same information, so on a purely abstract level, the groove can be the space between the "marks" of the notes, or vice-versa, but in real terms, I see the space between the notes as being filled by the timbre and performance of the notes as they ring out, the length of the notes, any silences and muting, etc.

Tricky-Loops · Post by **Tricky-Loops** » Sat Apr 26, 2014 12:16 am

That's a groove:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OkoQv9Onoc

Sendy · Post by **Sendy** » Sat Apr 26, 2014 4:10 pm

I've never understood why anyone would wear big, dangly, floppy jewellery when they're doing very tight, jerky dancing. It looks really dumb with that shit just spazzing out, and I end up just watching it, wondering if it's going to bounce up and hit her in the face.

chokehold · Post by **chokehold** » Sat Apr 26, 2014 4:16 pm

A.M. Gold wrote:What is a groove?

A groove is an extended grove, it contains many trees, which would make it a forest.
If it has a swing, though, it'll probably be a park.

Tricky-Loops · Post by **Tricky-Loops** » Sat Apr 26, 2014 4:24 pm

Sendy wrote:I've never understood why anyone would wear big, dangly, floppy jewellery when they're doing very tight, jerky dancing. It looks really dumb with that shit just spazzing out, and I end up just watching it, wondering if it's going to bounce up and hit her in the face.

You're just envious...

Harry_HH · Post by **Harry_HH** » Sat Apr 26, 2014 4:38 pm

chokehold wrote:
A.M. Gold wrote:What is a groove?
A groove is an extended grove, it contains many trees, which would make it a forest.
If it has a swing, though, it'll probably be a park.

This is interesting: is "swing" really a cultivated, tame "groove"?
Or is grandfathers groovy swing just sons cool groove, i.e. generation thing?

fluffy_little_something · Sat Apr 26, 2014 4:45 pm

Does the word come from vinyl records? Probably from black music...

I think groove is the same as rhythm, basically. Maybe people started to use it instead of rhythm because rhythm can also be a neutral term for any rhythm, i. e. also for music that has a boring rhythm and no groove, whereas groove is only used in a positive way.

Ultimately, I guess rhythm/groove may go back to primitive human aspects, especially to the rhythm that resulted from walking upright, and to sexuality

BlackWinny · Post by **BlackWinny** » Sat Apr 26, 2014 5:06 pm

fluffy_little_something wrote:Does the word come from vinyl records? Probably from black music...

I think groove is the same as rhythm, basically. Maybe people started to use it instead of rhythm because rhythm can also be a neutral term for any rhythm, i. e. also for music that has a boring rhythm and no groove, whereas groove is only used in a positive way.

Ultimately, I guess rhythm/groove may go back to primitive human aspects, especially to the rhythm that resulted from walking upright, and to sexuality

It seems that the right etymology is here:
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=groove

Bronto Scorpio · Post by **Bronto Scorpio** » Sat Apr 26, 2014 5:12 pm

For me, the "groove" is the part of the rhythm that's felt rather than heard, if that makes any sense

A groovy track:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpIgizeWReA
Cheers
Dennis

bmrzycki · Post by **bmrzycki** » Sat Apr 26, 2014 5:14 pm

Groove to me is the human/organic element applied to structured repetition. We've all programming midi notes perfectly on the beat markers in our DAW only to discover how dull, robotic, and lifeless it sounds. Small variations in relaxing or anticipating the next note makes a dramatic difference to a musical passage. It's why we like things like quantizers and groove extractors in our tools, to get "that feeling" from a different musical passage.

Humans loathe perfect repetition. I tend to think this is because nothing alive repeats itself identically each iteration. Much like a semi-real plastic mask creeps us out our ears detect the how fake perfect repetition and spacing in sound really is.

I enjoyed these two articles studying music's effect on us:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/19/scien ... ted=1&_r=2&
http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/04 ... -again-sam

Sendy · Post by **Sendy** » Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:12 pm

Bronto Scorpio wrote:For me, the "groove" is the part of the rhythm that's felt rather than heard, if that makes any sense

Those are called ghost notes, no?

Pretty much all funk and breakbeat rhythms use them, and my experiences with them make me conclude that it's the little things, the barely audible, offbeat notes, that give a groove forward momentum, not the big things (i.e. the aim of most modern dance music such as dubstep, to have everything very loud and in your face).

Ghost notes combined with "the one" (having an accent on the first beat, as opposed to 2 and 4) are a very potent combination, ask James Brown