It's a tertial harmony, the convention is tertial harmonies. All of the intervals are minor thirds. It's a diminished seventh chord. There are reasons for calling it that.someone called simon wrote:Can you clear up some misapprehensions I may have had about chord names here...
when you say Bbb, is that equivalent in pitch to an A? If not, what does it mean? If so, I have always just called this chord a 'diminished', and thought of it as having minor 3rd, flat 5th, and a 6th rather than a double flattened 7th. Is there a reason I shouldn't think of that note as a 6th?jancivil wrote: A diminished seventh here will be B double flat, almost always off a diminished triad, eg., C Eb Gb Bbb. (*diminished, diminished seventh*)
You want to call Bbb 'A'. Ok; that one spelled from A is A C Eb Gb. Let's take that spelling.
The reasoning also has to do with key. This particular construction, the diminished seventh chord, happens in minor with a raised seventh as a dominant* type of harmony, known as vii7.
IE: Scale of harmonic minor: Bb C Db Eb F Gb A.
The Aº7 is vii7 according to that: A C Eb Gb.
Dim7 is symmetrical, there are four facets; so for chromatic harmony it's useful to see all four versions/spellings, and their particular dominant proclivity.
If you're consistent with calling Bbb 'A', you want to call that Gb 'F#'. Let's do the same I did above: F# A C Eb. It's not an F# in that Bb minor event because Gb is naturally occurring in key; F# doesn't belong.
F#º7 works as vii7 in G minor, off the raised seventh. Call that dim. seventh Eb a sixth, D#, that D# doesn't belong. If you call it D# you're connoting vii of E minor. D# F# A C.
* It's quite like V7 with a flat 9. Note the tertial structure. In Db: Ab C Eb Gb Bbb; in Bb: F A C Eb Gb; in G: D F# A C Eb; in E: B D# F# A C; in C#: G# B# D# F# A.
Now you can look at it as a modulatory device through the new spellings. The practice is behind the reasoning of the spelling.
No, half diminished is 'half-' vis a vis full diminished, it's diminished triad/minor seventh. m7b5. ii7 in minor.someone called simon wrote: And, I always called the chord you mention below a 'diminished seventh', as it had a 7th instead of the 6th I talk of above. I have heard of half diminished but thought it synonymous with diminished seventh.jancivil wrote: 'Half diminished', eg., C Eb Gb Bb, is a *diminished, minor seventh* chord. Aka minor seven flat five chord.